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Urgent public health warning issued over lost radioactive capsule

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19 Becquerel is quite weak. My back of the envelop calculations of the source mentioned in this article makes me guess it is about 1 milli Curie = 0.001 Curie = 37 Million Becquerel. For simplicity lets assume 50 Liter is a 1 meter x 1 meter x 5 centimeter thick panel. 5 centimeter is usually sufficient to give you a good change to measure gamma rays at most energies and you want to have a large surface area exposed…

> 19 Becquerel is quite weak. Isn't it just? I'm glad you picked that up as 1.9 MBq through up to 750 MBq is more of the range I would have expected for a mining instrumentation source [1]. I'm guessing both the The Guardian [2] and AAP [3] relied on the same reporter who missed fact checking and an M (and possibly a decimal place) when interviewing the W.Australian Health minister (who, of course, may have bumbled t…

Turns out the dropped a G not a M [1]. 0.5Ci is a very strong source, it should be observed by a plane at 100-200m above ground with sufficient detector volume. Considering they still haven't found it, it must have rolled somewhere, where there is considerable shielding upwards or towards the street, or been carried away.

@defrost Great discussion and addition by the way. I only have one additional comment concerning radon. Radon is produced in a radioactive decay in the ground, and as it is gaseous it usually dissipates into the atmosphere rather quickly, so there is not too much of it near the detector at any given time. As you mention correctly, certain weather condition obviously can trap it near the ground. We usually study urban centers, with lots of asphalt covering the ground, affecting the amount released near the ground and near our detectors. We usually see it during rain, as then the radon in the atmosphere is washed down through the rain and accumulates on top of the ground for a while, which we often see as a strong uptick followed by an exponential decay. I have a coworker that just submitted a paper for review regards modeling this, sorry can't link the work yet. Overall, radon is quite tricky to understand and what you mention seem very reasonable. It would be quite interesting putting a detector for a while in these areas. Nevertheless, the measured amount of radon usually fluctuates on larger scales, maybe hundreds of meters, while the source will create a very localized signal, so it shouldn't cause too much troubles for a search like this.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Australian_radioactive...

Re: Urgent public health warning issued over lost radioactive capsule

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Don’t they have satellites that pick up these readings? I’m always interested how top-secret technologies could filter into local law-enforcement or civil safety efforts, but are prevented from doing so because of the security classification. Like how many times, do you think a murder or something pertinent to solving that has been captured on some sort of satellite or surveillance feed, but it’s never released to th…

For example, like wouldn’t MH 370 have been covered on multiple secret earth facing satellites, but we will never have that information, because revealing where it came from would compromise the security of the satellites? These are tricky, ethical issues. I wonder how the people involved rationalize, justify or deal with them.

Re: Urgent public health warning issued over lost radioactive capsule

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> 19 Becquerel is quite weak. Isn't it just? I'm glad you picked that up as 1.9 MBq through up to 750 MBq is more of the range I would have expected for a mining instrumentation source [1]. I'm guessing both the The Guardian [2] and AAP [3] relied on the same reporter who missed fact checking and an M (and possibly a decimal place) when interviewing the W.Australian Health minister (who, of course, may have bumbled t…

Turns out the dropped a G not a M [1]. 0.5Ci is a very strong source, it should be observed by a plane at 100-200m above ground with sufficient detector volume. Considering they still haven't found it, it must have rolled somewhere, where there is considerable shielding upwards or towards the street, or been carried away. @defrost Great discussion and addition by the way. I only have one additional comment concerning…

Yeah, mind you the Giga is quite a jump over Mega (see the reference I gave above on mining applications), so I'm not entirely sure I trust the update.

For context, Rio Tinto operations in Mt. Newman are mining iron ore from near surface open pit | mesa deposits; blasting rock with minimal crushing to fit in rail carriages for transport to the ocean ports where ore is crushed smaller, screened and graded (blended) for shipping overseas .. in total some 850 million tonne per annum of iron ore from that region (not just Newman alone).

I'm guessing the guage is for estimating ore density | grade on the fly as rocks tumble through the load out (from the remote operated semi autonomous near robot trucks) into kilometre+ long robot trains.

> Considering they still haven't found it

Yeah, I'm very surprised the search is still on, I'm leaning towards it's well off route in a tire in a truck (or already fallen free) OR some heavily tatted FiFo worker (fly in | fly out) nicked it as a souvenir for the local bikkie clubhouse and hasn't came home from a holiday in Thailand yet .. .

Radon: IIRC there are additions in the Australian AGSO radiometric processing guidelines re: radon removal that derived from work I did levelling out radon smearing back in the 1990s - somewhat out of date these days, but hey, that's the world for you.

There are also potential modifications to the work by Brian Minty | Jens Hovgaard | Bob Grasty using an NASVD to firstly highlight the use of Radon eigenvectors and then to rotate them out of the signal space in the processing pipeline.

I'm guessing (completely w/out context) that perhaps your friend is moving down that path (or perhaps well past and elsewhere, as I said, it's been a while).

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 19 Becquerel is quite weak. Isn't it just? I'm glad you picked that up as 1.9 MBq through up to 750 MBq is more of the range I would have expected for a mining instrumentation source [1]. I'm guessing both the The Guardian [2] and AAP [3] relied on the same reporter who missed fact checking and an M (and possibly a decimal place) when interviewing the W.Australian Health minister (who, of course, may have bumbled t…

Turns out the dropped a G not a M [1]. 0.5Ci is a very strong source, it should be observed by a plane at 100-200m above ground with sufficient detector volume. Considering they still haven't found it, it must have rolled somewhere, where there is considerable shielding upwards or towards the street, or been carried away. @defrost Great discussion and addition by the way. I only have one additional comment concerning…

ALSO!!

If yourself, your friend, or anyone else gets bored searching the sidewalks for traces of terrorism (or whatever the hell it is that you're doing and not talking about) .. have a look into this:

A Radiometric Renaissance

https://www.uwa.edu.au/Projects/A-radiometric-Renaissance

( some geology and big data required )

I'm not Mike, I do know him and it might interest some.

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