first part of the camera movement from oblique to straight the faked face on Cruise is very obvious.
Deepfaked Tom Cruise and Paris Hilton by Metaphysic
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Re: Deepfaked Tom Cruise and Paris Hilton by Metaphysic
#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
Or maybe people will just start requiring more evidence that something actually happened instead of believing everything they find on Tiktok (or the wider internet), which would actually be a good thing.
What evidence can the average person verify?
Historically, the average person could verify very little. To this day I've never once seen China with my own eyes. Does it even exist? Probably... how do I know? We all decide on others we consider trustworthy enough for the context.
If some major news org said they contacted Tom Cruise and asked him if the video was real and he said it wasn't him, then as an average person I'd probably believe them because I have at least some degree of trust that they'll either tell the truth or get called out on the lie and ultimately what do I care either way.
It's extraordinary claims that require extraordinary evidence and "Paris Hilton and Tom Cruise do rich people things on camera" doesn't meet that threshold. If someone posted a video of the president eating a live baby I'd probably be more skeptical of my sources.
Re: Deepfaked Tom Cruise and Paris Hilton by Metaphysic
#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
Even regular porn is illegal in some countries. I guess people watch it anyway.
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make as nobody is arguing there isn't a (black) market for it. The difference between the illegality of porn and of deepfaked porn is that the former is usually based on a purely moral argument (e.g. "porn is sinful" and allowing sinful behavior "corrupts people with sin", leading to more - and worse - sinful behavior) whereas the latter is based on a lack of consent. Consent…
It's anyhow a moral argument, just based on different values.
For example can you imagine to have sex with someone? Do you need their consent? How is it so much different to produce a deepfake for your own consumption only?
I personally agree that consent matters, but I see many ways to contrast that argument
Re: Deepfaked Tom Cruise and Paris Hilton by Metaphysic
#54It’s a deepfaked Tom Cruise, with the real Paris Hilton. https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2022/10/21/paris-hilton-fans-conf... Still super impressive but it’s not two deep fakes at the same time.
Odd, although I'm not really very familiar with the appearance of either of them I somehow thought her face looked more fake than his did. I blame makeup unless they used some kind of filter.
Re: Deepfaked Tom Cruise and Paris Hilton by Metaphysic
#55Maybe I'm bad at spotting these things but it looks and sounds super convincing to me. I really dread this technology weaponized in politics.
My dystopian techno-political prediction is that the 2024 presidential election in the US will have major impact from deepfakes.
With current tech, deepfakes can be really good. The linked one is pretty much there, it's super convincing. When I know it's fake, something seems a bit off about how "Cruise's" head is in relation to his body when he walks through the doorframe but that's it. If I wasn't actively looking for anything fake, I would not have registered that either.
Whoever runs for POTUS in '24, it's certain that both candidates will be well-known people with lots of video material for training a model. It's also certain that many groups and individuals will be strongly vested in the outcome of the election, and some of them will have the resources to produce deepfakes at least as convincing as "Tom Cruise and Paris Hilton" here - this is no longer something that requires hardware worth millions to run for two months straight.
There will be fake videos of the candidates doing/saying highly scandalous stuff. Going on a racist rant, expressing corrupt intent, promising illegal things, etc. And those videos, if somewhat intelligently produced, will have a big impact once they air, no matter if they can be definitively proven to be fake later.
Re: Deepfaked Tom Cruise and Paris Hilton by Metaphysic
#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
Even regular porn is illegal in some countries. I guess people watch it anyway.
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make as nobody is arguing there isn't a (black) market for it. The difference between the illegality of porn and of deepfaked porn is that the former is usually based on a purely moral argument (e.g. "porn is sinful" and allowing sinful behavior "corrupts people with sin", leading to more - and worse - sinful behavior) whereas the latter is based on a lack of consent. Consent…
With you there, to a point.
It's ironic and revealing that nobody actually consents to a social contract then. Closest most come is voting, and perhaps that implicitly validates the laws. But that's not really consent.
So maybe this consent assumption is not so strong!
Re: Deepfaked Tom Cruise and Paris Hilton by Metaphysic
#57The neck is kinda off in the first second and 25 seconds in and seems to spill over the collar unnaturally, and the head seems too big. But otherwise very convincing. If someone did not tell me it was fake, I probably would not have noticed.
Yes, same here, once I knew it was a fake I started looking and the head looks glued on... without the tip, I might have unconsciously notice something was off, but would not be able to put my finger on it.
Re: Deepfaked Tom Cruise and Paris Hilton by Metaphysic
#58I can't quite articulate what it is, but there's a certain "glimmer" when his head turns a few times, but other than that this is shockingly convincing. If I wasn't primed to expect a deepfake I'd probably not even notice or question it.
Re: Deepfaked Tom Cruise and Paris Hilton by Metaphysic
#59Give it a couple more years to iron out the kinks and throw in more resources, and even fewer people may be able to spot anything off (I already cannot - even knowing that it's fake, there's no way I'd ever think "wow this is a fake video"). This is either going to send a shockwave to society in the trust department (i.e. we'll have to absolutely distrust everything and everyone will have to adapt immediately), or we…
Or maybe people will just start requiring more evidence that something actually happened instead of believing everything they find on Tiktok (or the wider internet), which would actually be a good thing.
Another head-in-the-sand answer with some vaguely related talking points that are utterly unbelievable. Maybe pigs will fly tomorrow. Who can tell?
I'll give you one decent example from recent popular media: Sandy Hooks. Alex Jones didn't even need a deep fake to convince people.
Re: Deepfaked Tom Cruise and Paris Hilton by Metaphysic
#60How much of this is "deep fake" and how much is a skilled lookalike impersonator?