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Stripe sets one-year timetable to decide on going public

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Re: Stripe sets one-year timetable to decide on going public

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TIL Stripe have lowered their internal valuation from $95bn to $63bn since mid 2022.

Considering so many public, profitable tech companies saw their valuations go down by 50-70% in that same period, that still seems too little of a cut.

This assumes Stripe is not outperforming expectations. .which seeing the Amazon deal....

Re: Stripe sets one-year timetable to decide on going public

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They've had several options for employees to liquidate some of their holdings before now. They've generally only been open to current employees, but one a few years ago was also open to past employees.

Those offerings are only for options holders. RSUs cannot be traded; otherwise, every RSU holder has to pay taxes.

This happened to me this year with another company. They opened up the ability to sell back RSUs, and a chunk of them got sold to pay for taxes.

Re: Stripe sets one-year timetable to decide on going public

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

They've had several options for employees to liquidate some of their holdings before now. They've generally only been open to current employees, but one a few years ago was also open to past employees.

Those offerings are only for options holders. RSUs cannot be traded; otherwise, every RSU holder has to pay taxes.

I assume Stripe is giving out "Double Trigger RSUs" then? https://blog.pragmaticengineer.com/equity-for-software-engin...

Otherwise people are getting taxed now anyway if they are getting RSUs at a private Stripe, right?

Re: Stripe sets one-year timetable to decide on going public

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Is there any way to buy stock from employees now?

EquityZen had an offer to buy last week at a $75B valuation / $32 per share.

> EquityZen had an offer to buy last week at a $75B valuation / $32 per share

That's wildly off market, like 30%+. That's high, even for a retail platform.

Re: Stripe sets one-year timetable to decide on going public

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I have been paying and being paid for decades now, and I have never involved a payment processor in a dispute I had with the other side. If arbitration is the reason these companies exists, it seems like bad deal. Maybe they sell an illusion?

I've used banks and cards to help resolve fraud. Rarely, but I love it. And now the bank pushed me to use Zelle - which has zero protection.

To be fair, the trade-off is that there aren't any fees and it's nearly instantaneous. For the type of transaction similar to handing someone you know a wad of cash, it seems pretty good.

Re: Stripe sets one-year timetable to decide on going public

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Importantly they said within a year they will go public OR do a private market transaction to make employees liquid

That’s a LONG time (in total) for employees to wait for liquidity. Yes, they likely provided some opportunities for early employees to liquidate some of their holdings, but it’s got to suck to sit on that much funny money for so long.

An IPO will be longer. With the locked out period it will be more than a year

Re: Stripe sets one-year timetable to decide on going public

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those offerings are only for options holders. RSUs cannot be traded; otherwise, every RSU holder has to pay taxes.

I assume Stripe is giving out "Double Trigger RSUs" then? https://blog.pragmaticengineer.com/equity-for-software-engin... Otherwise people are getting taxed now anyway if they are getting RSUs at a private Stripe, right?

Correct. Stripe gave out stock options until around 2016 or 2017, then switched to double-trigger RSUs.

Re: Stripe sets one-year timetable to decide on going public

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Does Bitcoin support dispute resolution (i.e. chargebacks) yet?

It doesn't need to. Transact with vendors you actually trust who have a track record you can verify (which necessitates people being trustworthy to earn business—unlike our current economic order).

How would that not lead to the inevitable concentration of economic activity in a few trusted platforms?

Today, I can shop at pretty much any merchant on the web, under the reasonable expectation that my bank will file a dispute for me if the merchant makes a run for it and I never receive any goods or services. Even in case of merchant bankruptcy, I'm not exposed to any risk.

In a world of non-reversible payments, I'd probably stick to Amazon exclusively. That seems pretty bad for small/new/independent merchants.

Re: Stripe sets one-year timetable to decide on going public

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TIL Stripe have lowered their internal valuation from $95bn to $63bn since mid 2022.

Considering so many public, profitable tech companies saw their valuations go down by 50-70% in that same period, that still seems too little of a cut.

Public companies have more external influences on their valuation. It's not like they literally lost 50-70% of their intrinsic value, only what the market with the associated psychology says they are worth. Private companies can stick closer to that intrinsic value.

Re: Stripe sets one-year timetable to decide on going public

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s a LONG time (in total) for employees to wait for liquidity. Yes, they likely provided some opportunities for early employees to liquidate some of their holdings, but it’s got to suck to sit on that much funny money for so long.

An IPO will be longer. With the locked out period it will be more than a year

Not necessarily if they do a direct listing.
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