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WTF with high school questions?

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Re: WTF with high school questions?

#51

I met a former HR person from a company that had these kinds of questions, such as your SAT scores. She told me the point was hiring people who are competitive enough to care about that stuff.

Feels like the implication is that they favor people who positively respond to certain types of incentives, such as fighting for job titles.

Re: WTF with high school questions?

#52

Why do recruiters have such trouble with such a simple task like gauging a candidate's real skills? Seriously. Here is how to do it. I'm looking for a React Developer, I ask the following simple questions: 1. Tell my about your contributions to major projects you have been involved in. (if they share their work ask more in-depth questions about it) 2. With $givenTechnologyStack, how do you usually solve state managem…

You literally just have a conversation about the tech. People's true skills shake themselves out in an in-depth conversation about a technology that the interviewer is familiar with.

The problem is, this initial funnels are just recruiters. They're technologically clueless. They're just putting words on paper and finding people that say those words with the right number of experience attached.

Re: WTF with high school questions?

#53

Shopify has an initial round with recruiter called "Life Story interview". You basically start from the beginning, talking about your high school experience, what did you like there and what did you study, your childhood hobbies ...

I think the part that most "worker" people reading this are missing, is that with mature markets you get someone that is vaguely, a little bit, experienced and on your side, to give feedback over time.

The last "team" you want setting every question, and expectation, and results.. is the adversarial side that is trying to get the most out of all candidates with the least trouble to themselves..

Re: WTF with high school questions?

#54
post #10

They use the same format for Accounts Payable Clerk as they do for Director of Devops. Slightly lazy, sure, but not really blog post worthy. If you're an experienced hire just put do not recall and move on with your life.

Asking AP clerk candidates how they did in physics in high school is a waste of their time as well.

Re: WTF with high school questions?

#55

Why do recruiters have such trouble with such a simple task like gauging a candidate's real skills? Seriously. Here is how to do it. I'm looking for a React Developer, I ask the following simple questions: 1. Tell my about your contributions to major projects you have been involved in. (if they share their work ask more in-depth questions about it) 2. With $givenTechnologyStack, how do you usually solve state managem…

> Why do recruiters have such trouble with such a simple task like gauging a candidate's real skills?

Firstly because that's not their job, and secondly because recruiters aren't just there to hire for developers and they aren't going to be subject matter experts enough to judge between good answers to questions like that and bullshit.

Re: WTF with high school questions?

#56

Why do recruiters have such trouble with such a simple task like gauging a candidate's real skills? Seriously. Here is how to do it. I'm looking for a React Developer, I ask the following simple questions: 1. Tell my about your contributions to major projects you have been involved in. (if they share their work ask more in-depth questions about it) 2. With $givenTechnologyStack, how do you usually solve state managem…

The recruiting industrial complex seems to thrive on creating original obstacles with no consequences for how arbitrary they are. I suspect they benefit from the more work they create.

Re: WTF with high school questions?

#57

A common situation in my country is that quite a few high school math teachers are psychotic sadists -- maybe a few of the hardest-working students will clear the bar for the equivalent of an A or B. Sometimes the students with "the most potential" will have average (or worse) grades because the teacher prepares special, harder exams to push them harder. High school is usually an unrepresentative mess, I'd to love le…

I had one like that for 10th grade algebra. Basically failed the class , and the teacher was always mad at me. After I got he highest score in my county on some standardized math test and was given some award, the principal looked at my grades and saw I had a C- and had a conference with the teacher and myself where I found out he was giving me a different test than everyone else.

Re: WTF with high school questions?

#58
Not that I agree with it, but maybe they ask those kinds of questions because they want people who will just answer the damn questions, rather than argue with them over it.

> High School: I got kicked out of AP English for insubordination in high school.

...is this evidence that the filter is bad, or evidence that the filter is working?

Re: WTF with high school questions?

#59
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would be able to give "impressive" answers to those questions, yet I'd still close the tab. Canonical is shooting themselves in the foot. The next worst thing they could have asked was my Myers-Briggs personality category.

I think OP was just pointing out the irony of complaining about high school English questions while making a high school-level English usage mistake (would of vs. would have)

English prescriptivists are even more ironic-er. If they'd of bothered to take even an undergraduate level course in linguistics, they'd understand how wasteful a pastime "grammar nazi" is.

Re: WTF with high school questions?

#60

It feels like Canonical does this silly shit so only the truly desperate will apply, and thus take lower compensation. I would of closed the tab pretty quickly.

Unless this attracts the desperate who wouldn't apply without these filters, the compensation necessary to secure the winner will be unaffected or might even go up as the smaller pool of applicants will have Canonical over a barrel.

More likely they do this because they have so many applications coming in that having to pay more to a lesser worker is worth more than having to hire many more HR staff to process all the applications. The hope is that it will scare off most people, and if that fails a machine can filter on these values. It could be any arbitrary value – race, religion, random number – but courts have effectively ruled that any filtering mechanism that isn't directly related to the job or school could face severe legal consequences, so this keeps the lawyers happy.

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