What's next? The coffee machine down the hall asking for a tip?
Is tipping getting out of control? Many consumers say yes
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#52I think tipping should be outlawed. The price should be the price. Workers should not be subject to inconsistent pay for the same amount of work. In addition it gets rid of any bias in wages (more attractive people or people of different ethnicities might get higher tips for the same work).
Nothing should be outlawed unless it causes a reasonable amount of harm. This mostly doesn’t. First, it’s just semantics. Second, you don’t have to buy again.
Re: Is tipping getting out of control? Many consumers say yes
#53I frequently see tipped employees argue _in favor_ of tipping because it allows them to have a higher take-home than they normally could get at an hourly job. I think tipped establishments could have success by removing tipping but offering commission to their formerly-tipped staff.
It's built into the price (bonus points if they add sales tax as well), so you just pay what it says on the menu, and the servers stay happy.
Or you can just pay a good hourly wage, but no one really seems interested in making that happen.
Re: Is tipping getting out of control? Many consumers say yes
#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
I noticed the expected tipping percentage go up after most customers started tipping in credit. Tipped workers had to up their game because they can no longer do tax evasion with everything on the record. Back in the days where most paid their restaurant with cash, tips were more like 15%. The move from 15 to more like 20 to 25% almost perfectly corresponds with the amount needed to make the same earnings after tax.
I've always done 20% because it's easy to do in my head. Nowadays it's a low tip for those tip prompts and I punch it in manually if I tip at all. When I delivered food my tip spread was funny. Many people wouldn't tip at all, many would just let you keep the change or give you a token amount (~5-10%), and a few people would give you over 50% tips. Not many gave me 15-25%.
Yeah I did food delivery and a sizeable amount didn't tip at all. It also created huge problems picking up food because many of the places people ordered from were full service restaurants, and the workers would purposefully go slow as fuck because they knew they would get no tip as most the food delivery companies don't provision for a tip to the restaraunt people preparing the food for the food delivery guy. A few times I had to take a loss on orders to tip the restaurant I was picking the food up from just to get them to release the food.
The food delivery guy is basically seen like the UPS worker. All around I decided it was a fucked business model and quit pretty quickly.
Re: Is tipping getting out of control? Many consumers say yes
#55I think tipping should be outlawed. The price should be the price. Workers should not be subject to inconsistent pay for the same amount of work. In addition it gets rid of any bias in wages (more attractive people or people of different ethnicities might get higher tips for the same work).
Nothing should be outlawed unless it causes a reasonable amount of harm. This mostly doesn’t. First, it’s just semantics. Second, you don’t have to buy again.
The tipping system causes harm.
Re: Is tipping getting out of control? Many consumers say yes
#56I very rarely visit places where I have to tip so my sanity is kept in check. The whole idea of tipping however ruffles my feathers. Just give me price and fuck off. I did not come to the place to think how much should I tip and feel guilty if I do not want to tip for shitty service / food.
I do give generously to homeless though.
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#57I mean, the US could just get a decent welfare state like a grown-up country, but instead you have the worst paid members of society depending on tips.
What does a "decent welfare state" mean? Have you seen the amount of people that are jobless in the US right now even though there's a plethora of jobs available? The US must have a pretty heavy welfare state for that to continue.
Additionally, I assume you believe decent welfare state = a handful of 1st world western European nations and maybe Australia/NZ? You may want to check the average salaries of these locations. Higher welfare states come with a lot of cons... it's not all rainbows and daisies.
A safety net should be just that.... a safety net. Otherwise, you risk LA Skid Row type ramifications or feces/meth needle ridden streets in SF where essentially no one is benefiting.
Economically, exactly how does your plan work?
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#58I think tipping should be outlawed. The price should be the price. Workers should not be subject to inconsistent pay for the same amount of work. In addition it gets rid of any bias in wages (more attractive people or people of different ethnicities might get higher tips for the same work).
We don't have to outlaw it but we should do something more difficult: make it not the social norm.
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#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
If the level of service declines below "full waiter experience", likely so too do the prices.
And so should the tips. It makes no sense to tip someone who just hands you something from behind a counter.
That's my point: as the price declines, so too does the amount you pay in tips.
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#60I most certainly get paid a lot more than the person behind the counter does. If it's a person who did something helpful and the person gets the $, then I'm happy to tip. If they can give me some attention (e.g., not chatting away with someone behind the counter while I just stand there), I'm happy to tip.
You also get paid more than the staff at Walmart. Do you tip there?