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Re: Why I Hate Android

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Post by Mavrik »

ghshephard wrote: post #37
runn1ng wrote: post #32

>Instead of going to the store of a single carrier and having a dozen shitty phones shoved in your face by salespeople that made commission, you’d be in total control of the process. The end result of consumers getting to choose their carriers (and phones and plans) was clear: major competition and subsequently a rush of better deals from said carriers to ensure customer activation and retention. >Or, you could buy w…

MG Siegler (and many of us who travel) are well aware that in Europe, there is a lot more freedom regarding carriers and pay-as-you-go SIM cards. He explicitly added the "in the US" to make that clear. I assure you that most of us realize that the $199 iPhone we are getting with a 2 Year $70/month contract locked to AT&T is really a $1879 contract value.

And yet.. He still hates "Android" instead of US carriers and non-existing regulation.

Re: Why I Hate Android

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Post by Karunamon »

bad_user wrote: post #38
emehrkay wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Don't get me started on the logical hoops MG must jump through to view a compromise on a policy proposal for net neutrality as the ultimate betrayal while a device that the manufacturer must approve all software that runs on it is A-OK. I see this as two different things. Google buddying up with Verizon to change net neutrality in the mobile space has an impact on everyone while Apple preventing software from runni…

I really don't get HOW and WHY people want government regulations, the same government that is pushing for SOPA. Government regulations of the market are only useful in one case only: to prevent abuses from established monopolies. However, wireless Internet is not monopolized. And you should checkout the competition in Europe. It's absolutely crazy. Google buddying up with Verizon to change net neutrality in the mobi…

>However, wireless Internet is not monopolized.

In the USA? You're kidding, right?

Re: Why I Hate Android

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Post by schammy »

> What I hate is what Android has become.

What I hate is what Apple has become, and this is the reason I will never own another iPhone. It's a fantastic phone and changed everything in the mobile landscape, but Apple has become an extremely evil company with their ridiculous success and I won't support that.

MG can dislike Google for similar reasons. That's fine. The difference is he transfers that hate to Android. I don't hate the iPhone, I just hate Apple.

And I don't really buy his reasoning anyways. He has written hundreds of articles about how bad Android is. If the real reason for him hating Android was because of Google's net neutrality cave-in, he would have mentioned it by now. Like a hundred times (he likes to repeat himself).

I feel like now that Android has finally grown into a mature and robust OS (it was definitely a bit janky prior to 2.3), he doesn't have any justifiable reason to hate it anymore, so he's grasping at straws. It just seems silly.

Re: Why I Hate Android

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Post by muro »

muro wrote: post #44

> What no one knew at the time, and I only heard months later, was Google’s original vision for the Nexus One. Google intended to sell it for $99 without a contract and unlocked. Yes, a $99 unlocked phone, subsidized by Google ads. haha... that's a good one.

Can anyone really think that a phone that sells for more than 500 without subsidy can be sold for 99 with ads making up for the difference?

Re: Why I Hate Android

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Post by bookwormAT »

M.G. Siegler wants to get rid of the different mafia syndicates that make his life miserable. His solution is to give all the power to a single syndicate that will rule us all.

Who has the absolute control in the Android ecosystem? My cell carrier has certainly not. Google cannot even stop me from installing the Amazon market app. The device manufactuers may seem very powerful: They make and service both the hardware and the (Android-based) operating system. But even the manufactuer does not control the system more than any of the other parties. They need Google's services, they need the carriers, and they need us.

The user. We can decide if we want to buy our devices from Verizon or from Samsung or from Google. But most important, we can choose what software we install on the device.

Never before had so many users that much power over their mobile experience. The user rules the desktop PC, and now, thanks to Android, he get's to rule the mobile PC as well. We're not there, but we're getting there.

M.G. Siegler wants to replace the control of many software providers with the control of a single one. This is short sighted.

Android gave us a democracy instead: It's sometimes slow to get something done, because every decision has to be fought over with the different partie's interest. But we, the users, can vote. And we have rights.

Re: Why I Hate Android

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Post by zak_mc_kracken »

MG Siegler vastly overestimates the importance of the Droid deal with Verizon. There are hundreds of Android devices running on dozens of carriers around the world. The Verizon deal is completely inconsequential.

Re: Why I Hate Android

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Post by jsnell »

> Google’s original vision for the Nexus One. Google intended to sell it for $99 without a contract and unlocked.

Right... Nobody in their right mind should be able to believe that Google planned to sell hardware at a loss of hundreds of dollars, in order to gain a user worth a couple of dollars a year, for a couple of years. But not only does Siegler appear to believe this, but he considers the non-appearance of that phone as a betrayal.

Re: Why I Hate Android

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Post by zak_mc_kracken »

untog wrote: post #9

One of his major issues seems to be Google not coming through on the topic of net neutrality, and that his overall opinion of Android is coloured by this. But an honest genuine question (I don't know the answer)- what did Apple do to further net neutrality? It seems like MG expected a lot of Google, and Google let him down. But what did he expect of Apple, and did they deliver? Because last time I looked Apple were c…

> It seems like MG expected a lot of Google, and Google let him down.

I don't buy it. He will always find ways to fault Google, if his writing style over the years is any indication.

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