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Loss of epigenetic information as a cause of mammalian aging

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Re: Loss of epigenetic information as a cause of mammalian aging

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YC 2043: Aging as a service. AaaS.

I mean ... they literally talk about the potential ability to force the aging process backward or forward in the abstract, so... haha.

Expedient prisons then. No need to serve time. You just lose 30 years on the spot.

Re: Loss of epigenetic information as a cause of mammalian aging

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Sure, but "ageing is a result of increasing entropy" is pretty much the same as saying that ageing is caused by the passage of time. The interesting part here is that they narrow down which loss of information is important.

Increasing entropy in a system can be avoided with an external energy source.

There is no energy source external to the universe.

Re: Loss of epigenetic information as a cause of mammalian aging

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Not an expert here, but it seems like they introduced a specific flaw and saw effects similar to aging, then they corrected for that flaw and saw those effects reversed. This is an interesting result, but it doesn't, imho, prove that actual aging can be reversed in this same manner.

Re: Loss of epigenetic information as a cause of mammalian aging

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If they manage to slow down aging in the next few years, and 80 becomes the new 70s or whatever, this country will explode.

Explode in what sense? People aren't really having kids anyways. China's population decreased for the first time in 80 years recently.

Re: Loss of epigenetic information as a cause of mammalian aging

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Who says you want more robust DNA transfer? I can imagine there was a time before the LUCA where life was a competition between these gene transfer mechanisms. DNA exists for a reason imo, gene mutation is a feature not a bug

For the species yes, for the individual I don't know that the math is that settled.

From what I remember of The Selfish Gene, the individual's genes are always trying to maximize copying fidelity. Genes are trying to preserve themselves and take up a larger share of the gene pool; "intentionally" mutating into a different gene seems like a terrible "plan".

Also, the number of mutations that are actively beneficial are lowish. Even on the level of a single human, the whole organism prefers its genes stay intact.

Evolution doesn't work on the species level.

Re: Loss of epigenetic information as a cause of mammalian aging

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Is this applicable in any therapeutic sense?

A study in primates/human glaucoma patients is underway (~next 2 years).

Randomized clinical trials are not as golden a standard as they seem and methodologically they are designed for human cattle, who do not choose what to consume and do not care to read a Wikipedia page or more about the drug they're taking or its target receptors they have, let alone any research on it. Thus, in an instruction label for an approved drug you'll see dozens of adverse effects, established in randomized clinical trials, yet close to zero information about the probability of you personally being affected by these adverse effects.

Likewise, there are ~thousands of "biohackers" taking the safe metformin off-label, for "anti-aging" purposes. And any interested individual can choose an experimental treatment, taking all the risks etc.

As per Hippocrates Oath [1]: 1) I swear to fulfill, to the best of my ability and judgment, this covenant: 2) I will apply, for the benefit of the sick, all measures [that] are required 3) I will prevent disease whenever I can, for prevention is preferable to cure.

How would you ensure a physician is employing the best of their ability? By their brain oxygenation level? Or dopamine receptors occupancy in prefrontal "executive" cortex? Thus ~90% of physicians regularly violate at least 2) and 3) statements of the oath, by not offering the possible experimental treatments in relevant sets&settings.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippocratic_Oath

Re: Loss of epigenetic information as a cause of mammalian aging

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, but "ageing is a result of increasing entropy" is pretty much the same as saying that ageing is caused by the passage of time. The interesting part here is that they narrow down which loss of information is important.

Increasing entropy in a system can be avoided with an external energy source.

> Increasing entropy in a system can be avoided with an external energy source.

There was a study probably cited by Sinclair in his Lifespan book with mice genetically engineered to have 0.5-1 degree less than normal body temperature. And they lived like ~30% or more longer.

Such hypergeneralised physical thought inevitably leads to necrology in the end-point measurements, rather than biology.

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