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Re: Recent improvements to Safari

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Post by olliej »

bigDinosaur wrote: post #7
can16358p wrote: post #4

I don't really know about all the details of those metrics but I know one thing: Safari is smooth. Actually it was just perfect in the previous years too for me anyway. It just works and works super-efficient. That's why I use it. The only reason I have Chrome installed is to test my websites with Chrome and use MetaMask. TBH I never understood why people use Chrome on a Mac unless there is a specific extension or si…

You can't do proper adblocking (e.g. uBlock Origin) on Safari. That's why I don't really use it except when on battery and out travelling - and even then I'll often avoid using Safari since ads are so awful. Yes, I've tried the Safari adblockers, they suck. As far as I can tell they do marginally more at best than a DNS block. Once you can't use uBlock Origin with Chrome due to the proposed Manifest V3, Firefox will…

I use 1Blocker which seems to do a perfectly good job, so I’m not sure what ads you’re referring to?

Re: Recent improvements to Safari

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Post by olliej »

etaioinshrdlu wrote: post #5
can16358p wrote: post #4

I don't really know about all the details of those metrics but I know one thing: Safari is smooth. Actually it was just perfect in the previous years too for me anyway. It just works and works super-efficient. That's why I use it. The only reason I have Chrome installed is to test my websites with Chrome and use MetaMask. TBH I never understood why people use Chrome on a Mac unless there is a specific extension or si…

Personally, I like Chrome's UI much more than Safari, and also enjoy the devtools UI much better. Also like many devs, I use the most popular browser by default so I can design for the majority of users (realizing how this may offend some of you...).

Indeed, this worked well for the sites that targeted IE, and I’ve seen enough sites saying variations on “designed for ie/chrome” to know you’re not alone in that belief.

Re: Recent improvements to Safari

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Post by olliej »

bruce511 wrote: post #2

The addition of push notifications is long awaited, and necessary to take PWA to the next level. It is the single biggest hurdle for me in developing PWAs for iOS. Bring it on!

So bizarre that there are devs think we want webpages with the ability to spam them.

Literally the last thing I want from a random website is notification spams and pop up, but woooooo soon I guess I’ll have to get used to pop ups asking me to receive ads from websites all over again.

Re: Recent improvements to Safari

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Post by olliej »

habitue wrote: post #50
thewebcount wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed! I don’t know why anyone would want that. And even Apple is getting bad with their own notifications. I just got one from Apple Music yesterday about the Super Bowl. WTF? I had to turn off Notifications for that now, too.

> I don’t know why anyone would want that. A calendar app, a messaging app, etc. All sort of apps have reasonable use cases for notifications, and now you can write those apps as persistent web apps on iOS. The user should still have control over notifications of course, and if you're downloading, let's say, a shopping app, no reason to allow notifications, it'll just be ads or whatever. Overall, flexibility is good.

Happily good calendaring apps have a standard protocol to communicate with calendar apps that don’t load a ton of Facebook and Google stalkerware every time you load them, and let their users just use their prefer calendar app.

Messaging services can also make an app, because I sure as shit don’t want my entire browser to become more annoying just because someone can’t be assed making an app. Hopefully safari will gate this BS on making a home screen app rather than just making every site a beacon of “add notifications so that we can sell you to advertisers even when you aren’t on our site!”

Re: Recent improvements to Safari

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Post by vishnugupta »

can16358p wrote: post #4

I don't really know about all the details of those metrics but I know one thing: Safari is smooth. Actually it was just perfect in the previous years too for me anyway. It just works and works super-efficient. That's why I use it. The only reason I have Chrome installed is to test my websites with Chrome and use MetaMask. TBH I never understood why people use Chrome on a Mac unless there is a specific extension or si…

This is me down to every single detail, including about testing and using MetaMask.

To add, Apple’s native support for security tools such as iCloud Keychain, privacy relay, hide my email etc makes it that much more compelling to continue to use Safari.

Re: Recent improvements to Safari

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Post by olliej »

grk wrote: post #40
skrowl wrote: post #35

Safari is the new IE6. It's always going to be the weakest / furthest behind major browser.

Except the data linked in the article proves the exact opposite?

Sssh, the world is filled with people who just think that if chrome does it, it’s correct, and that if chrome doesn’t do it, it doesn’t matter, and that if a site works in chrome then every other browser is wrong. Completely unlike the old IE developers.

Re: Recent improvements to Safari

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Post by LeoPanthera »

guessmyname wrote: post #19
bigDinosaur wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can't do proper adblocking (e.g. uBlock Origin) on Safari. That's why I don't really use it except when on battery and out travelling - and even then I'll often avoid using Safari since ads are so awful. Yes, I've tried the Safari adblockers, they suck. As far as I can tell they do marginally more at best than a DNS block. Once you can't use uBlock Origin with Chrome due to the proposed Manifest V3, Firefox will…

I have been using AdGuard for Safari [1] for years and it works great. Alternatively, many VPN providers offer ad-blocking services, e.g. Mullvad [2]. Both of them use EasyList [3], and you can enhance it yourself with additional (custom) filters. [1] https://github.com/AdguardTeam/AdGuardForSafari [2] https://mullvad.net/en/blog/2021/5/27/how-set-ad-blocking-ou... [3] https://easylist.to

Seconding AdGuard for Safari. It's free, open source, has customizable blocklists, and seems to work as well as uBlock ever did.

Re: Recent improvements to Safari

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Post by nier »

LeoPanthera wrote: post #57
guessmyname wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have been using AdGuard for Safari [1] for years and it works great. Alternatively, many VPN providers offer ad-blocking services, e.g. Mullvad [2]. Both of them use EasyList [3], and you can enhance it yourself with additional (custom) filters. [1] https://github.com/AdguardTeam/AdGuardForSafari [2] https://mullvad.net/en/blog/2021/5/27/how-set-ad-blocking-ou... [3] https://easylist.to

Seconding AdGuard for Safari. It's free, open source, has customizable blocklists, and seems to work as well as uBlock ever did.

Thirding AdGuard for Safari.

Re: Recent improvements to Safari

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Post by pjmlp »

tambourine_man wrote: post #15

Derided by whom? From an end user point of view, Safari is the best browser, hands down, on any platform, by a long shot. Performance, smoothness, battery life, mobile integration, password management, the list goes on. I had to support and still know by heart the bugs and idiosyncrasies of IE 5, 6, 7, 8 etc. I have no sympathy for people who say Safari is the new IE.

By those that decided whatever Chrome does is the Web, while arguing against IE having done the same for a decade.
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