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What's Docker Desktop exactly?
The thing that I have to install on MacOS so that I can run docker. Is there any other way(i.e no gui utility) ?
Podman and Podman Desktop?
Docker 2.0 went from $11M to $135M in 2 years
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Re: Docker 2.0 went from $11M to $135M in 2 years
#52Can't speak for anyone else, but my company is migrating away from Docker Desktop to Rancher in order to save money. We'll see how well that goes.
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What's Docker Desktop exactly?
The thing that I have to install on MacOS so that I can run docker. Is there any other way(i.e no gui utility) ?
You can use Colima to get the same functionality, minus auto-start on boot.
Re: Docker 2.0 went from $11M to $135M in 2 years
#54I remember everyone had written Docker off for dead when they announced their updated pricing plans, but they really made perfect sense, and I am happy to see the company recover. A large chunk of the tech world today relies on their products, but they were making next to nothing for it. It is definitely worth it for large companies to throw a few dollars their way considering the massive amount of value they are get…
I'm surprised by this as well, but maybe it was the HN bias that made that impression.
My company received the memo from Docker to upgrade to paid version, and I helped many to move on to Podman. However there were teams for which getting a Docker Desktop license was easier than the Podman move. I am sure there are many more companies that can easily afford the convenience of Docker Desktop for a trivial fee.
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The thing that I have to install on MacOS so that I can run docker. Is there any other way(i.e no gui utility) ?
What do you mean? I just do `apt install docker`.
> The thing that I have to install on MacOS so that I can run docker.
There is no apt on macOS.
Re: Docker 2.0 went from $11M to $135M in 2 years
#56Re: Docker 2.0 went from $11M to $135M in 2 years
#57I remember everyone had written Docker off for dead when they announced their updated pricing plans, but they really made perfect sense, and I am happy to see the company recover. A large chunk of the tech world today relies on their products, but they were making next to nothing for it. It is definitely worth it for large companies to throw a few dollars their way considering the massive amount of value they are get…
It just goes to show how what enterprise customers value and what individual developers value are two very different things.
The problem I have with Docker is very simple; to individual users, they provide a service invaluable in a similar vein, though not of similar importance necessarily, to Wikipedia or Archive.org; Docker is literally a utility, which can enable tons of different interactions. The open source community is flooded with different ways to use Docker and take advantage of OCI images and whatnot. I just recently gave distrobox a spin, for example. I use Podman as my container engine, but the theory is the same, and most of the images are on Dockerhub.
The problem here is simple; it only provides this immense value if it is effectively free without discrimination. But of course, it can't really just be free, or at least Dockerhub certainly can't be.
On the other hand, it also provides immense value to enterprise and even smaller customers, too, clearly. And I don't think anybody ever strongly doubted that aspect, it just was more doubted whether you could make a business out of it. But lo and behold, Dockerhub was integrated enough into the ecosystem and without an a strong enough alternative that it didn't seem to matter.
I assume Docker Desktop also factors into this somehow, but I don't know. I don't use it. Even on Windows and macOS, in the event I must use them to do dev work, I just use Podman Machine. Works well enough for me, and I don't care about a desktop UI (although apparently a couple do exist.)
I am glad that at the end of the day, I haven't seen any super bad fallout from this. I'm still able to use Docker images on my NAS without paying a monthly subscription. Whatever their rate limit is, I'm not hitting it. I'm sure it's a super bad pain in the ass for certain parties though. Like I bet GitHub has a deal to keep Dockerhub unlimited in it's CI, but smaller providers that do CI like srht are probably screwed. That's a shame for the entire ecosystem.
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Competitive Docker Desktop replacements (podman) are just starting to see adoption IMO. Let's see the number next year. Lots of companies had no other choice but to pay.
Maybe i'm just in a bubble but none of those Docker Desktop replacements work well on a locked down corporate laptop. Sure you can get it to work somehow, manually configuring proxies, dns and stuff. Docker Desktop somehow just works. Thats why we pay for it.
Rancher Desktop works on my Macbook w/ Crowdstrike, Zscaler, Globalprotect, and I'm sure a few other things. Multipass doesn't.
Re: Docker 2.0 went from $11M to $135M in 2 years
#59I remember everyone had written Docker off for dead when they announced their updated pricing plans, but they really made perfect sense, and I am happy to see the company recover. A large chunk of the tech world today relies on their products, but they were making next to nothing for it. It is definitely worth it for large companies to throw a few dollars their way considering the massive amount of value they are get…
What's Docker Desktop exactly?
Re: Docker 2.0 went from $11M to $135M in 2 years
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I think they just cashed out; enterprise had to pay, for now, while evaluating and migrating to free alternatives. I don't think it will be a sustainable growth.
My point exactly, I see very little proof that this is without a doubt a “reboot” of the company from a financial standpoint, it looks more to me like finding income out of desperation while doing nothing to improve the base value prop. But I could be wrong, I don’t wish for Docker to fail more than anyone else.
The essential maxim in all the startup literature is “you’re not charging enough”. That was very much the case for Docker Desktop. At the current price there’s gonna be churn but that’s the case with anything customers pay for.