I'm kind of surprised that the feds allow it since the vigilance issue is pretty much a given.
New video of Tesla crash demonstrates the problem of semi-automated driving
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#52Seems to me that the cars behind the Tesla are the omas at fault?
Note that the Tesla changed lanes, into the passing lane no less, and then immediately slowed down significantly. So the first car to hit it may have had a very safe distance between it in the next car, but the Tesla cut that significantly with its sudden maneuver.
It's a popular opinion but I think it's wrong. If they weren't all so close together some of that could habe been avoided. The Tesla indicated for a very long time telling other what it's gonna do.
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#53Tesla: we have an experimental self driving system that we need to test.
Person: lol how are you gonna pay people enough to test something that might endanger them?
Tesla: no they will pay us for the privilege
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#54I have a VW Golf and it has what it calls "adaptive cruise control". What makes it different from my older (simple) cruise control is that it will slow down and speed up again as necessary without my intervention. For example, if I set the speed to 70 mph and it gets close to a car ahead that is only going 65 mph, it will slow down and maintain what the software believes is a safe distance. Similarly, if a car in an…
I do love the ACC on my car. One of the worst parts of road trips is following cars you don't want to or can't pass. The ACC totally solves it. I don't see how you were really able to use cruise to follow another car at all before? Even 1mph too slow is not great and if the car in front isn't using any cruise control at all it could be 5mph too slow and then 5mph too fast.
> One of the worst parts of road trips
this, so much
> how you were really able to use cruise to follow another car at all before?
not op, but you probably just don't, you disengage, cuss out loud and follow them manually until they come to a decision to stop hogging the lane.
PS that's also why I hate the newer-style blocked-off HOV lanes here in sfbay, which seem to be a total trap and a magnet for idiots who drive 30 miles below the speed limit.
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#55Re: New video of Tesla crash demonstrates the problem of semi-automated driving
#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
It’s very useful on long drives since you don’t have to constantly adjust your speed by little bits (manually or adjusting the cruise control setting). Takes a moment to moment mental load off so you can focus on the other cars around you better. If the cars ahead of me are slowing down significantly I disengage and go manual until I have a better idea what’s going on. My car can supposedly stop completely that way.…
I wonder why this is preferable to just taking the train for longer trips? Wouldn't it be nicer to sit back and let someone else do all the driving for however many hundred of you are all going to the same place anyway? Once you get past the long part of the trip you could always rent a car if it's rural or whatever.
Kind of derailing things, but train usefulness varies on area. At least where I live, train journeys are usually more expensive and significantly slower than a comparable flight (maybe similar speed to driving but still more expensive). And for a lot rural areas it's not a viable option
Re: New video of Tesla crash demonstrates the problem of semi-automated driving
#57Is there enough info yet to know if the lane change was initiated automatically? That's apparently possible. Tesla support site: Auto Lane Change To initiate an automated lane change, you must first enable Auto Lane Changes through the Autopilot Controls menu within the Settings tab. Then when the car is in Autosteer, a driver must engage the turn signal in the direction that they would like to move. In some markets…
I believe the car was in "Full Self Driving" and not "Autopilot"?
It’s unclear because FSD is supposed to switch to autopilot on highways. The driver said it was in FSD mode but they may just not realize that switchover occurs.
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#58Seems like the driver is litigation lawyer (from the full police report, link in the article), with some notable portfolio (IANAL, so don't know but what it looks like). Wonder what's gonna happen...
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#59This looks like the vehicle tried and failed to get the driver to engage and pulled over best it could. There is no shoulder there so… Let’s wait to get more info as to what the driver was doing and if they were incapacitated. The FSD beta is pretty aggressive on making sure the driver is paying attention via both steering sensors, the in-cabin camera and the touch screen.
> if they were incapacitated. You can see them get out of the vehicle and walk around a bit in the video[0], so I guess they were not incapacitated - see around the 46s mark in the video. The driver also claimed they were using FSD at the time the car performed the maneuver. [0] https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/108kpgo/footag...
another angle: https://twitter.com/kenklippenstein/status/16128488720611287...
The driver was on I-80. Unless this is a Tesla employee, Tesla FSD is not enabled on interstate highways at this time; when you're on a major no-stops no-traffic-light highway, it defaults to Autosteer+TACC, with his subscription likely only enabling the auto-lane-change feature. All this means is that the likely culprits are either TACC stopping on its own as if there was a car there, or the AEB system performing an emergency stop to avoid hitting a (phantom) person or car; but based on the footage, it looks like a TACC failure since it doesn't look like an emergency stop you'd see in IIHS videos[0].
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#60This is a bug in the meat, and is not going away. The problems are well understood, thanks to decades of examples in semi-automated trains, boats, airplanes, and industrial monitoring systems. Until "self driving" is good enough that you're legally allowed to ride it drunk, it should not be allowed to do anything more complicated than radar cruise and lane-keeping.
This is a bug in Tesla's specific meat.
Other self driving implementations e.g. Cruise, Waymo have LiDAR which is an additional and in my opinion necessary sensor for detecting objects.
Because in this case it sure looks like a phantom breaking issue.