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Mercedes is the first automaker to offer Level 3 self-driving in the US

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Re: Mercedes is the first automaker to offer Level 3 self-driving in the US

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Post by geodel »

kortilla wrote: post #3

> According to the SAE levels of driving automation, a Level 3-capable vehicle can take over certain driving tasks, but a driver is still required to be present and ready to take control of the car at all times when prompted to intervene. The first part of the article mentions the driver being able to take a meeting or watch a movie. That’s complete horseshit if they need to be ready to take control of the car at all…

> The first part of the article mentions the driver being able to take a meeting or watch a movie.

I think the idea here is that typical executive meetings ( which of course Mercedes owners would be) are monotonous and boring and it would not take more than 20% of your attention in any case.

Roughly same for movies as it has to be Hollywood franchise movies which even if one is watching first time, it still feels like seeing same thing thousand times before. And now concentrating on road looks more interesting than movie.

All Mercedes has to do is put `*` on Movies/Meetings and define them appropriately to be on firm legal grounds.

Re: Mercedes is the first automaker to offer Level 3 self-driving in the US

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Post by verdenti »

foepys wrote: post #37
kortilla wrote: post #3

> According to the SAE levels of driving automation, a Level 3-capable vehicle can take over certain driving tasks, but a driver is still required to be present and ready to take control of the car at all times when prompted to intervene. The first part of the article mentions the driver being able to take a meeting or watch a movie. That’s complete horseshit if they need to be ready to take control of the car at all…

In Germany (where this system is already available) Mercedes takes liability and the system gives the driver a 10 second advanced warning before they have to take over. It's also only available on certain stretches of the Autobahn. If the system allows you to enable it, you can use it. The German law allows autonomous driving up to 130 km/h although Mercedes currently only allows their system to work up to 60 km/h.

That just seems like adaptive cruise control. Comparing Tesla to this is apples and oranges.

Re: Mercedes is the first automaker to offer Level 3 self-driving in the US

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Post by xracy »

TekMol wrote: post #44
eddsh1994 wrote: post #28

Why's everyone being so negative? This is cool!

For some reason, a large part of HN users seem to hate every fundamentally new technology. It seems the majority here thinks the next 20 years will be like the last 20 years, with only minor, gradial improvements. And every idea of a bigger shift is a scam. I have yet to see a good explanation of this. Maybe this is the case on every forum, simply because that is the prevailing attitude among people in general? Durin…

This is not a new technology. L3/L4 autonomous vehicles have existed for 50+ years.

Even in cars, it's not a new technology. But it's very easy to claim something without backing it up. Which is exactly what tesla has been doing with this "new technology" for the last 10 years. People are cautious about hearing news about self-driving, because in the past there have been some pretty major caveats.

Re: Mercedes is the first automaker to offer Level 3 self-driving in the US

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Post by mrtksn »

eddsh1994 wrote: post #28

Why's everyone being so negative? This is cool!

I think it’s a branding issue. It was supposed to be a SV darling to do it first, not some legacy German carmaker.

You can see significantly more negativity for non-SV tech, especially when they do something outside of the narrative. If it’s an electric car, should be batteries and not fuel cells for example.

This is also one of the reasons why if a company wants to go big needs to move to SV. It looks much better when things happen the correct way, you don’t have to do all that convincing.

Re: Mercedes is the first automaker to offer Level 3 self-driving in the US

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Post by [deleted] »

TekMol wrote: post #49
sgjohnson wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> For some reason, a large part of HN users seem to hate every fundamentally new technology. Hate and healthy skepticism are two completely different things.

When I came here 10 minutes ago, this was the top comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34335123 Calling the article "complete horseshit". That sounds hateful to me.

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Re: Mercedes is the first automaker to offer Level 3 self-driving in the US

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Post by cypress66 »

TekMol wrote: post #44
eddsh1994 wrote: post #28

Why's everyone being so negative? This is cool!

For some reason, a large part of HN users seem to hate every fundamentally new technology. It seems the majority here thinks the next 20 years will be like the last 20 years, with only minor, gradial improvements. And every idea of a bigger shift is a scam. I have yet to see a good explanation of this. Maybe this is the case on every forum, simply because that is the prevailing attitude among people in general? Durin…

Because a lot of people here are very pessimistic ("this won't work/it's not viable/it's fake/etc"), and whenever there's actual progress that contradicts their previous predictions, they try to save face, move goal posts, etc because obviously they couldn't have misjudged the technology.

To be fair I don't think this particular "L3" is groundbreaking but what I said still applies.

Re: Mercedes is the first automaker to offer Level 3 self-driving in the US

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Post by emodendroket »

kortilla wrote: post #3

> According to the SAE levels of driving automation, a Level 3-capable vehicle can take over certain driving tasks, but a driver is still required to be present and ready to take control of the car at all times when prompted to intervene. The first part of the article mentions the driver being able to take a meeting or watch a movie. That’s complete horseshit if they need to be ready to take control of the car at all…

Right, these things seem worse than nothing if they're good enough to make you completely distracted, paying no attention to the road, but them dump control over to you the minute something unexpected happens.

Re: Mercedes is the first automaker to offer Level 3 self-driving in the US

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

foepys wrote: post #37
kortilla wrote: post #3

> According to the SAE levels of driving automation, a Level 3-capable vehicle can take over certain driving tasks, but a driver is still required to be present and ready to take control of the car at all times when prompted to intervene. The first part of the article mentions the driver being able to take a meeting or watch a movie. That’s complete horseshit if they need to be ready to take control of the car at all…

In Germany (where this system is already available) Mercedes takes liability and the system gives the driver a 10 second advanced warning before they have to take over. It's also only available on certain stretches of the Autobahn. If the system allows you to enable it, you can use it. The German law allows autonomous driving up to 130 km/h although Mercedes currently only allows their system to work up to 60 km/h.

> Mercedes takes liability

This has to be the standard for all but the most egregious examples of other-driver-at-fault crashes. That, together with marketing standards, e.g. you can say FSD but you have to also disclose Level 2, should help clean things up while incentivizing good development.

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