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Re: Tax System in the Faroe Islands

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For several years now I've been wondering about a couple of things. One would be to come up with a simple taxation formula for individual income. (1) No deductions. (2) Peg the tax rate to a formula, something like tax = 1% per $10,000 of income. (These specific numbers would not work very well.) This would be simple, absolutely predictable, and would set a maximum income at whatever the culture decided was right. An…

That sounds like a dystopian nightmare that is incompatible with private ownership of anything.

Re: Tax System in the Faroe Islands

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post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While Intuit and their friends do lobby, the US tax code was fiendishly complex long before Intuit was even a thing. "The income tax has made more liars out of the American people than golf has. Even when you make a tax form out on the level, you don't know when it's through, if you are a crook or a martyr." -- Will Rogers Will Rogers died in 1935.

They already do your taxes for you. This is how they know if your returns are off or not. The only difference is that in the rest of the world, they show you the calculation the government came up with first.

> They already do your taxes for you.

They have no way of knowing what all your business expenses are (especially ones that don't require sending the recipient one of the various Form 1099s). They can look at what you claim as business expenses and retroactively require you to show proof of those expenses (i.e., audit you) if they seem unreasonable, but that's an entirely different thing.

Re: Tax System in the Faroe Islands

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post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But the majority of Americans have only w2 income and no deductions

Their taxes are easy, too. Just a handful of clicks through a free e-filing system. Most can also use a free in-person filing service (VITA.) Most of the thousands of hours you hear about comes from working through legitimate complexity (complicated assets, stock splits, self-employment, etc.) That’s not to say it wouldn’t be good to have more computing thrown at automating the rules for that complexity.

Right. Even a paper 1040EZ doesn't take more than a few minutes... probably even less online.

Re: Tax System in the Faroe Islands

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The imbalance is that it's more like 2% of tax complexity but 80% (made up numbers) of time spent. Assuming no submission is equivalent to a submission with earned income only (standard in Europe) would save an incredible amount of time.

I think ordinary income is People with only earned income already have a very easy time of it here as well.

The W-2 case with maybe a 1099 and standard deduction is pretty simple. And should probably be even simpler by autofilling a "Here's what we think you owe/are owed" return. But you get into complex returns pretty quickly for the reasons you describe. I don't even have that complex a return and what I got from my accountant was probably a 1/2 inch thick last year.

Re: Tax System in the Faroe Islands

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In Portugal, if you are an employee or pensioner and have no other sources of income, the tax form is filled in automatically for you. Just confirm if you want, and hit 'send'.

In the UK, less than 10% of the population even file a tax return. For 90% of people tax is just taken at source. Unless you have a small business, rent out properties or work abroad, HMRC already knows what you needed to pay and get's it right 99% of the time and your employer/pension provider just withholds as required. It's always baffled me that so many rich countries don't operate like this...

I do my own taxes on the UK, it is not complicated, but it would be everything a billion time easier if all brokerage accounts [1]and banks had a simple way to get all transactions in a tax year in a single csv file instead if having to do a billion clicks and having to parse dozens of pdf files!

Also can I have everything in a single unified gui?

[1] especially those barebone accounts used for employee stock grants.

Re: Tax System in the Faroe Islands

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Let's list out a partial list of major US tax problems:

1. As we all know, tax preparation is intentionally complicated and hard thanks to lobbying by the tax preparation industry;

2. Access to the financial system should be a right. This article correctly points out there are ~6 million "unbanked" individuals. I haven't actually seen this problem in other developed countries. People will quite literally take their paycheck and cash it;

3. Also noted here: decades of Republicans starving the IRS (and pretty much everything else the government does bar the military of course). This creates a cycle where a starved government is then used as an argument to further starve the government. It's not surprising the Republicans are so incensed at last year's bill to fund the IRS and paint it as armed IRS officers coming and seizing your mobile home to try and rally support for it. It's the same reason the 15% minimum corporate tax was opposed even though the nominal corporate tax rate is 21%: to benefit the ultra-wealthy and corporations;

4. Deductions. Honestly pretty much everything should be gotten rid of for personal income other than maybe retirement saving. But there are simply way too many vested interests here for this to ever happen;

5. We need to annually tax unrealized capital gains;

6. Stop double taxing dividends. This leads to a lot of unnecessary complexity (eg passthrough corporation tax benefits). Dividend tax imputation is not hard;

7. Tax trusts as we do estates;

8. Tax land use based on assessed value, particularly for single-family houses. A $1 million house should pay higher property tax than a $1 million apartment.

The US really is a dystopian hellscape.

Re: Tax System in the Faroe Islands

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Their taxes are easy, too. Just a handful of clicks through a free e-filing system. Most can also use a free in-person filing service (VITA.) Most of the thousands of hours you hear about comes from working through legitimate complexity (complicated assets, stock splits, self-employment, etc.) That’s not to say it wouldn’t be good to have more computing thrown at automating the rules for that complexity.

Right. Even a paper 1040EZ doesn't take more than a few minutes... probably even less online.

The 1040EZ was eliminated I believe. But the same applies to the 1040 if you're just basically entering W2 info.

Re: Tax System in the Faroe Islands

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The imbalance is that it's more like 2% of tax complexity but 80% (made up numbers) of time spent. Assuming no submission is equivalent to a submission with earned income only (standard in Europe) would save an incredible amount of time.

I think ordinary income is People with only earned income already have a very easy time of it here as well.

This isn't true. Lower income people are more likely to work more than one job simultaneously, or to do casual work or a string of jobs, or be 'contractors' than have a single W2 with accurate numbers. Only 20% of taxpayers who qualify for free direct filing use it - mostly because they don't even know it exists. Many Americans are challenged by even the process of completing the form.

Re: Tax System in the Faroe Islands

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post #56

Let's list out a partial list of major US tax problems: 1. As we all know, tax preparation is intentionally complicated and hard thanks to lobbying by the tax preparation industry; 2. Access to the financial system should be a right. This article correctly points out there are ~6 million "unbanked" individuals. I haven't actually seen this problem in other developed countries. People will quite literally take their p…

>As we all know, tax preparation is intentionally complicated and hard thanks to lobbying by the tax preparation industry;

That ignores the lobbying by other industries for their favorite loopholes: mortgage interest, like kind exchanges, carried interest, R&D credits, and so on. Much of the complexity in the tax code is actually to close the loopholes that taxpayers are always finding, which has nothing to do with the tax prep industry.

> Deductions. Honestly pretty much everything should be gotten rid of for personal income other than maybe retirement saving.

This ignores the sizable impact of tax credits -- are you proposing those all eliminated also? Currently there is only a deferral of tax on qualified retirement savings, except for Roth IRA earnings (not contributions). There should also be tax free/deferred savings allowed for health care, so that it is not tied only to employment.

>We need to annually tax unrealized capital gains;

Even on someone's primary residence or other personal-use property? How do you determine fair market value? And it would only make sense if paired with annual deduction of unrealized capital losses.

>Tax trusts as we do estates;

This makes little sense. For income tax, trusts and estates are already taxed essentially the same. If you are referring to the estate/gift tax, the assets in a trust after death already go through the estate tax regime, why would you do it twice?

Re: Tax System in the Faroe Islands

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> THE FAROES ARE ONE OF THE RICHEST COUNTRIES in the world by per capita GDP—even slightly richer than Denmark itself.

The Faroe Islands are a strange place. There aren't many people, yet you'll see huge infrastructure projects to literally drill tunnels through mountains to connect at 2-3 families with the main roads. A gigantic amount of public money gets pumped into every part of their industry and infrastructure, funded by Denmark.

On a completely unrelated note, the the wife of the previous prime minister is from the Faroe Islands, and he has been known for being bad at separating private and public interests, and for cases of pumping money into specific monopolistic fishermens pockets while taking huge donations from the same to his own funds. The two of them also own a company that plans tours from Denmark to the Faroe Islands.

He's no longer prime minister but managed to create a central party that was key in establishing the current government. I'm sure we'll see a continuation of pumping money into the Faroe Islands.

All that said, it's a lovely place to visit, especially for people who enjoy hiking and don't mind damp weather, and there's some cool places to see puffins.

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