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Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Post by ithinkso »

WFHRenaissance wrote: post #26
andsoitis wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you think would be a better model? I have a hard time imagining one. It doesn't seem all that different to me than whoever is first to claim a company name, a domain name, or when we go back further in time, land.

After a subreddit reaches a certain size voting tokens should be used to elect officials to run the subreddit. Quadratic voting with your vote ratio being a derivative of your activity on the subreddit to mitigate bot voting, et cetera.

I see subreddits the same as opensource projects in this regard - users have all the tools and rights to fork. And the mods/maintainers can run the original to the ground if they so wish

Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Post by darepublic »

I think this may be overreach by the moderator but I basically agree with their points. This looks just like a midjourney output. It is a hodge podge of different cultural influences -- asian character, with green eyes, with grecoroman garb, and eye of sauron orbs floating around her. It would have once been technically impressive, and now is just a kind of culture diarrhea.

Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Post by Y_Y »

richbell wrote: post #14
benjaminbachman wrote: post #2

The only real news here is that Reddit mods are power mad tyrants, which is nothing new at all. AI generated art has just given them newer, funnier ways to be in the wrong.

"Power" moderators, that is people who moderate a large number of subreddits, are untenable. It is not possible to effectively or fairly moderate dozens of communities, even if you were to spend all your waking moments doing so. This is, in part, why it's so common for popular submissions to be locked or deleted because "y'all can't behave". The people that do so are largely doing it for their own self-gain (e.g., se…

Please tell us more about what you learned from socialising with these "power mods", I think it would be enlightening to us too.

Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Post by Sebb767 »

benjaminbachman wrote: post #2

The only real news here is that Reddit mods are power mad tyrants, which is nothing new at all. AI generated art has just given them newer, funnier ways to be in the wrong.

HN is really lucky to have dang. Although he is a payed mod, so it's not 100% comparable.

Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Post by dragontamer »

hiccuphippo wrote: post #48
dragontamer wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. Reddit has too many bot accounts. There's no way to enforce one-vote per real life person.

Make them pay a small amount of reddit gold and enforce a minimum time subscribed to the subreddit.

That's just turning votes into a convoluted reddit-gold / money value. If I cared enough, I'd make myself moderator by just buying a ton of reddit gold for myself.

If I were too poor to make a big difference in reddit gold accounts, then I'd be forced to move to a different webpage without any power to make a change on Reddit.

Lose/lose from all sides.

Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Post by seanw444 »

jaywalk wrote: post #20
EGreg wrote: post #8

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Sorry, I am not familiar with reddit’s model. What is “ownership” in this case? Total private tyranny, with delegation of authority? Does it transition to collectively and more democratically managing the channel, as stackexchsnge does?

Yes, it's total private tyranny if the person who started the subreddit chooses to keep it that way. But if Reddit (the company) doesn't like the way you're running your sub, they can and will replace the people in charge.

That's kind of bizarre to me. They act like they're firing employees, and replacing someone for that role, when they're just random volunteers to a community set up by a person unaffiliated with Reddit.

Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Post by jamincan »

teekert wrote: post #42
onion2k wrote: post #36

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If the goal of a community is to share work, critique each others efforts, and enjoy a hobby together, then someone coming along and pretending that they're doing it while they're not is obviously going to annoy people who are genuine. I see AI-generated art as being similar to taking performance enhancing drugs in sport or using something that's against the rules in motorsports. Outsiders don't really care because t…

Ok, yeah, I can imagine if it's about competition, which it is when humans want to create the most beautiful thing purely with their bodies, that it's "unfair". There are (written and unwritten) rules in any competition after all. Imagine a formula 1 driver installing an AI :)

I think it's more than just about competition. If the whole point of a subreddit is to critique each other's work and discuss process etc., someone coming in with AI-generated art isn't going to further those goals, and the risk is that the subreddit gets overrun by the AI art and no longer be focused on its original subject matter.

Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Post by greysphere »

DethNinja wrote: post #23
geraldwhen wrote: post #4

The hilarious irony is that the AI is quite possibly copying the authors older work if it was published on an image sharing site like Reddit or deviant art. Lawsuits need to destroy these models stolen from the public.

This is a common misconception. AI is not copying anything. It is studying the images in a similar way that humans do. Entire size of the stable diffusion model is around 6gb, with pruning it goes down to 3gb. Training set is in terabytes. So it is common sense that no copying is done. I think artists need to be fair about AI, is there any artist that created their style without ever studying other artists? That is h…

Your statement implies the source dataset's file sizes represent the amount of visual information in them. This is almost certainly not the case.

Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Post by dragontamer »

shlubbert wrote: post #46
dragontamer wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IRC Network administrators tend to enforce "official" names (owned by a particular group) vs "unofficial" names. For example, "#Ubuntu" is owned by the Ubuntu devs. While the unofficial ##Ubuntu is just fan owned. This already is a huge step forward compared to Reddit, where you aren't even sure which subreddits are owned by the corporation / official groups, or if they're "fan run". Are you sure /r/Ubuntu is a fan-r…

Which companies do actually own and moderate their own subreddits? I have always treated all of them as unofficial, even if there are employees of the company that post periodically.

I'm pretty sure /r/Wargroove was company run (and well run) mind you. Its not necessarily a bad thing to have company run subreddits. But it should be clear when its an "official" vs "unofficial / fan-run" subreddit.

Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Post by Mezzie »

richbell wrote: post #14
benjaminbachman wrote: post #2

The only real news here is that Reddit mods are power mad tyrants, which is nothing new at all. AI generated art has just given them newer, funnier ways to be in the wrong.

"Power" moderators, that is people who moderate a large number of subreddits, are untenable. It is not possible to effectively or fairly moderate dozens of communities, even if you were to spend all your waking moments doing so. This is, in part, why it's so common for popular submissions to be locked or deleted because "y'all can't behave". The people that do so are largely doing it for their own self-gain (e.g., se…

I wonder if/how a hard limit on number of communities moderated would work? Make it so one person could only mod 2-3 subreddits. Unfortunately, this would require some work from Reddit the company to keep those same powermods from just making new accounts so probably won't happen.
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