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ChatGPT banned from New York City public schools’ devices and networks

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Re: ChatGPT banned from New York City public schools’ devices and networks

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I've said it in another thread, but if you have to ban a tool to preserve the value of some course or examination then it's likely they have little to no value in the real world. In most cases the courses are fine, but the examination probably isn't testing anything useful if it can be cheated with tools like ChatGPT. For example any maths test which only tests students on problems which are easily solvable by a calc…

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Re: ChatGPT banned from New York City public schools’ devices and networks

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ChatGPT is just a tool, like a calculator. Calculators are banned in certain circumstances and required in others. At first they were probably seen as cheating, but then the system realized they could be used to enhance what kids learn. Why take away a tool that could be used everywhere in life? That's not how progress should work. The system should evolve to embrace such tools, but the obvious problem is that it jus…

Did you even read the article? You completely side stepped the argument they are making: > While the tool may be able to provide quick and easy answers to questions, it does not build critical-thinking and problem-solving skills, which are essential for academic and lifelong success

But the article is wrong...

Re: ChatGPT banned from New York City public schools’ devices and networks

#53
post #4

I learnt a ton from asking random questions to ChatGPT. This move is clearly temporary and will be reversed

ChatGPT is a chatbot, not Google. It just produces answers that are plausible-sounding. ChatGPT is not doing any searches or data lookups for you in the background. Unfortunately, you may have learned total garbage.

Re: ChatGPT banned from New York City public schools’ devices and networks

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Did you even read the article? You completely side stepped the argument they are making: > While the tool may be able to provide quick and easy answers to questions, it does not build critical-thinking and problem-solving skills, which are essential for academic and lifelong success

But the article is wrong...

Ok, this is why I think it's wrong: ChatGPT absolutely does teach us critical thinking and problem solving skills. How to best leverage ChatGPT is absolutely a problem that needs to be solved, and it varies wildly on the use case. Critical thinking absolutely does need to be applied to what it produces. All it can do without critical thinking and problem solving skills is create commoditized responses, the same thing it produces for everyone else. That has no value anymore. HOW you leverage is insanely important.

Re: ChatGPT banned from New York City public schools’ devices and networks

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I see ChatGPT more akin to Wikipedia and Google than a calculator. We don't consider Wikipedia or Google as much of a tool as they are a knowledge reservoir of truthiness.

What is a "knowledge reservoir of truthiness"?

The only knowledge this system knows is whatever it can scrape and regurgitate that appears truthful. A whole bunch of positively true, but also many cases of falsely positive.

This system can’t prove its own work (at least not yet) before publishing the results. It just publishes, which is similar to Wikipedia and Google.

Re: ChatGPT banned from New York City public schools’ devices and networks

#57
post #10

I've said it in another thread, but if you have to ban a tool to preserve the value of some course or examination then it's likely they have little to no value in the real world. In most cases the courses are fine, but the examination probably isn't testing anything useful if it can be cheated with tools like ChatGPT. For example any maths test which only tests students on problems which are easily solvable by a calc…

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Re: ChatGPT banned from New York City public schools’ devices and networks

#58
post #10

I've said it in another thread, but if you have to ban a tool to preserve the value of some course or examination then it's likely they have little to no value in the real world. In most cases the courses are fine, but the examination probably isn't testing anything useful if it can be cheated with tools like ChatGPT. For example any maths test which only tests students on problems which are easily solvable by a calc…

This would replace the skill of SQL with the skill of being able to ask specific questions which is a valuable skill, also when collaborating with humans.

At the same time it is a completely different mode to operate. Writing and editing SQL while you are trying to solve a problem will lead you to a different way of thinking, iterating, maybe even induce fewer context switches.

Using ChatGPT can be similar to delegating those type of tasks to a colleague. There are upsides and downsides to this but never underestimate the benefits of strengthening your own abilities.

Re: ChatGPT banned from New York City public schools’ devices and networks

#59
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Not sure I entirely agree. Imagine there's a trainable skill like writing, and GPT can write at low-intermediate level, but can't at high level. How do you test students before they completed intermediate level?

Make students write in the classroom using a pen and paper? Isn’t that more or less the standard at low-intermediate level?

Handwriting is at least just as pointless exercise.

Re: ChatGPT banned from New York City public schools’ devices and networks

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post #59

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Make students write in the classroom using a pen and paper? Isn’t that more or less the standard at low-intermediate level?

Handwriting is at least just as pointless exercise.

I agree about handwriting being pointless, but simply doing writing exercises in the classroom should be sufficient to get students past the ChatGPT level. Right?

Assuming the teacher is doing their job, it should be really easy to make sure nobody is cheating using machine learning.

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