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Netflix has job with almost $1M listed salary range, to comply with new CA law

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Re: Netflix has job with almost $1M listed salary range, to comply with new CA law

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Post by highwaylights »

TheRealPomax wrote: post #26
tony_cannistra wrote: post #14

Colorado has a similar law, but I've never observed this kind of "range-hacking." Why would this happen in CA but not CO?

Probably because of selection bias: most of the huge tech companies are headquartered in CA, not CO, and of those, the ones that are just batshit insane when it comes to hiring are also found more in CA than in CO. And then because Netflix considered themselves a "dream team" snowflake, they even have a "we may decide to fire you if you're not the absolute best each week every week". But because of how they implement…

I guess it depends on how well liked you are by your manager.

Re: Netflix has job with almost $1M listed salary range, to comply with new CA law

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Post by danielvf »

dragonwriter wrote: post #38

This clearly does not comply with the law [0]. The listed range is based on total comp which it justifies with an appeal to Netflix’s “compensation philosophy”; the law, however, specifically defines the “pay scale” that must accompany a posting as being the “the salary or hourly wage range that the employer reasonably expects to pay for the position” [1], not total compensation, and the law does not include an excep…

Netflix is famous for its all cash compensation packages.

Re: Netflix has job with almost $1M listed salary range, to comply with new CA law

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Post by TheRealPomax »

highwaylights wrote: post #51
TheRealPomax wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably because of selection bias: most of the huge tech companies are headquartered in CA, not CO, and of those, the ones that are just batshit insane when it comes to hiring are also found more in CA than in CO. And then because Netflix considered themselves a "dream team" snowflake, they even have a "we may decide to fire you if you're not the absolute best each week every week". But because of how they implement…

I guess it depends on how well liked you are by your manager.

Exactly. Absolute crazytown.

Re: Netflix has job with almost $1M listed salary range, to comply with new CA law

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Post by andrewmutz »

tylersmith wrote: post #39
subharmonicon wrote: post #22

I wonder what follow-through the law has to fix/avoid this kind of behavior? I know some companies are now working to ensure that they no longer have a single listing for a job into which you could hire people at different levels, so that they can better honor the spirit of the law. It would be nice if the law itself ensured had a way to enforce or ensure that sort of behavior, but I don’t know what that would look l…

Avoid what behavior? If that's the possible range of salaries they'll offer for the role then they're doing exactly what the law intends.

Agreed. Based on what I've heard from others at Netflix, it is plausible that some engineers are making $900K cash comp.

Re: Netflix has job with almost $1M listed salary range, to comply with new CA law

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Post by tylersmith »

sgustard wrote: post #31

Certainly anyone applying for this job should ask "how do I qualify for the $900k salary band?" How is the interviewer going to answer that?

You don't check off list items to get into some predetermined upper band, you make them want to hire you even if they have to top out their budget for the role.

Re: Netflix has job with almost $1M listed salary range, to comply with new CA law

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Post by Rebelgecko »

butlerm wrote: post #21
tony_cannistra wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're right but I think you're missing the point. Offering a range that broad in the job listing is just an effort to flaunt a law. That law was put into place to help the people you're talking about.

The minimum salary paid for a position is useful information. The median or estimated median may be as well. Legislated disclosure of a maximum is useless. It implies that employees are interchangeable widgets with a cap on their market value that isn't more than some reasonable percentage of the minimum. There are true superstars out there that some companies can afford to compensate properly, but they are generally…

>The minimum salary paid for a position is useful information

Is it? I found SWE roles with a salary range from 50,000-50,000. But in reality I doubt there's any engineers at Netflix making 50k

Re: Netflix has job with almost $1M listed salary range, to comply with new CA law

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Post by remote_phone »

binarymax wrote: post #23
remote_phone wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know a couple of Netflix employees making over 700k cash. I also have a friend who was a recruiter at Netflix that handled an offer to an engineer for $1M cash. These are real numbers.

That’s fine but, there are probably multiple levels that have been glommed into one req…which makes it look not great. There should be jr, sr, principal, staff, etc.

Previously Netflix only had 2 levels: software engineer and senior software engineer. I heard they were going to change that but I don’t know to what extent that was changed.

Re: Netflix has job with almost $1M listed salary range, to comply with new CA law

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Post by random42_ »

canonica wrote: post #47

I'm shocked about their questions on their job application form! It's considered illegal to ask those questions in my country because they can be used for discrimination. Is this normal practice in the US? > What gender identity do you most closely identify with? > Are you a person of transgender experience? > Please select the race and/or ethnic identities you identify with > What sexual orientation do you most clos…

These questions are optional, in my experience. I’ve never seen a form in a job application where these were required.

Re: Netflix has job with almost $1M listed salary range, to comply with new CA law

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Post by dsfyu404ed »

tony_cannistra wrote: post #42
dsfyu404ed wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or they're complying in good faith. They may very well be flexible and not really care if they hire a fresh out of school grad or a seasoned expert with a rockstar resume. They'll hire either and pay accordingly.

Maybe, but I don't buy that a FAANG would hire a fresh-out-of-school grad at L5 with a $90k salary.

The L5 thing is weird because the listed minimum qualifications would apply someone 4yr out of college (which doesn't usually correlate with L5) and the rest of the listing is very much worded in a way that is seniority-agnostic.

Depending on how many of the requested qualifications (i.e. you come from a background that gives you little to no experience on most of them but a lot of depth on one specific ones) you hit 90k may be reasonable.

This really just looks like a boilerplate job description with the bare minimum tweaks. Not surprising that the salary range wasn't tweaked.

Re: Netflix has job with almost $1M listed salary range, to comply with new CA law

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Post by ithkuil »

canonica wrote: post #47

I'm shocked about their questions on their job application form! It's considered illegal to ask those questions in my country because they can be used for discrimination. Is this normal practice in the US? > What gender identity do you most closely identify with? > Are you a person of transgender experience? > Please select the race and/or ethnic identities you identify with > What sexual orientation do you most clos…

I think the idea here is to use this information to "help" and "include" people, not to discriminate against them.
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