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A forger knows he is faking something.
Someone who sincerely believes what he is writing is not a forger - even if you think he's wrong.
An unorthodox scholar uses technology to expose Biblical forgeries
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#54Lots of question marks: How do we know what's a forgery and what's not? Did someone take authentic originals and write additional text over them? Where do these forgeries come from? How are all of these fragments not in one place under guard? How are forgeries of this even possible? I need more context to understand.
> Did someone take authentic originals and write additional text over them?
There are all kinds of materials used for forgeries. Ranging from cheap ones sold to tourist on contemporary papyros (or even banana leaves) made contemporary ink to highly sophisticated ones on original Ancient papyros (you either remove the old handwriting of a not so "valuable" text or use blank Ancient papyros).
> How are all of these fragments not in one place under guard?
Just an anecdote: I once visited a papyrological institute at the university I studied with a group of fellow students to receive an introduction into papyrology. All the tables in the seminar room were pushed together and on them lay a lot of papyros fragments, each fixed between two sealed panes of plastic. Among them were also the highlights of the collection: A small fragment from Qumran and a Septuaginta fragment from the 7th century. Everyone was allowed to take these sealed plastic storage frames (I don't know the professional term for it) into her or his hand and have a close look at it from both sides.
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#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't know of any church that considers it canonical. I think it certainly reflects what folks thought about the enigmatic Genesis 6:1-4 text before and around the time of Christ.
The Tewahedo church in Ethiopia considers it cannon. There is no english translation of their bibles currently but wiki says a translation project is underway. Can I ask - are you a biblical scholar? Reading a different bible each year us impressive
Just a layman. I only read English translations (I don't know Greek or Hebrew) Just finished the Orthodox Study Bible Old Testament which is based on the Greek Septuagint. I read Brenton's translation about 10 years ago. Anyway, I having picked out a Bible for this next year.
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#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't know of any church that considers it canonical. I think it certainly reflects what folks thought about the enigmatic Genesis 6:1-4 text before and around the time of Christ.
The Ethiopian and Eritrean Orthodox Tewahedo Churches consider it canonical, which is why we still have complete copies of it, albeit in Ge'ez.
Interesting. I wonder if the translation is much different in content than the English versions. It's a wild read.
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The burden of proof rests on those who make fantastical claims, not on everyone else to disprove their claims.
You can not just ignore their claims unless you have an alternative answer to why (or how) does the universe exist. Science does not contain tools to refute or confirm any answer to that question. So it's less "fantastical claim", and more a topic that you do not have any tools to approach.
You certain can ignore their claim. It's an unfalsifable claim, so it should be ignored in a context of formal logic. But you can't assert it's negative. That's just as unfalsifable, and that claim should also be ignored in a context of formal logic.
Of course, we don't always work in a system of formal logic, and it doesn't much matter to me if you choose to assume/believe works are inspired or not.
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#58It's amazing how many Christian bible scholars get duped by obvious forgeries. As mentioned in the article the "Museum of the Bible" bought a lot of fakes, some of them quite crude. And of course the Ohio Stones: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newark_Holy_Stones which to a Modern Hebrew speaker are clearly based on a very modern script.
Don't forget the famous golden plates, also found in Ohio (who knew Ohio was such a divine place):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_plates
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non-canonical by a few churches. In my head canon it's the only one that is true.
I don't know of any church that considers it canonical. I think it certainly reflects what folks thought about the enigmatic Genesis 6:1-4 text before and around the time of Christ.
Don't feed the troll.