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Wage inequality may be starting to reverse

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Re: Wage inequality may be starting to reverse

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post #32

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth_inequality_in_the_Uni... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_inequality_in_the_Uni... It's all in the top 10 or 20%.

The top 20% is household income over $109,000. That's not the ultra rich by any means.

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Re: Wage inequality may be starting to reverse

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The premise of this article is absolutely disgusting. The inequality that matters isn't the difference between blue collar workers and college grads with marketing and tech jobs. This is just propaganda to destroy the middle class.

You know, in the last years I started to believe that this kind of article is pure clickbait striving to elicit a reaction from the reader.

Re: Wage inequality may be starting to reverse

#53
post #19

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Not a broken premise at all. The focus on the ultra rich is mostly just a political ploy since it's easy to villainize extravagant wealth. But the vast majority of income (I'm including capital gains in this) is made by the middle class and wage-earning upper class, not by the ultra rich. If you take all the wealth of the ultra rich and distribute it evenly, every person would get a one-time, nice, but not life-chang…

I wonder if there was someone in King Louie's court that had a similar statement.

The French Revolution was an evil thing. Its horrors exceeded anything that the ancien regime could even fathom doing. And in any case, the situation isn't comparable. The average poor American is overfed and lives a life of comfort that the rich of 200 years ago could only dream of.

Re: Wage inequality may be starting to reverse

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post #23

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Not a broken premise at all. The focus on the ultra rich is mostly just a political ploy since it's easy to villainize extravagant wealth. But the vast majority of income (I'm including capital gains in this) is made by the middle class and wage-earning upper class, not by the ultra rich. If you take all the wealth of the ultra rich and distribute it evenly, every person would get a one-time, nice, but not life-chang…

The problem isn’t that people are ultrarich. See PG’s essay on the merits of inequality. The problem is rentier parasites.

Rentier parasites enabled by state overregulation, which is in response (usually) to overeager or immoral entrepreneurs (ARM loans, thalidomide, slum lords,crypto, supplement industry, lemon cars, malware, vaporware, stock scams, etc). The regulation is supposed to protect us, but in reality just enables those with the resources to meet the new standard to have a (olig|mon)opoly. I'm not sure what the solution is, just pointing out how "rentier parisites" tend to arise.

Re: Wage inequality may be starting to reverse

#55
post #3

I’m incredibly happy to see wages at the bottom rising, but I think there’s a serious lack of discussion around obscenely high executive pay.

No issue with the pay. But the US sucks at taxing rich people.

Not that it seems to matter. Congress will spend way more than they receive in taxes, regardless of the tax rate on rich people.

Re: Wage inequality may be starting to reverse

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post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth_inequality_in_the_Uni... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_inequality_in_the_Uni... It's all in the top 10 or 20%.

The top 20% is household income over $109,000. That's not the ultra rich by any means.

> That's not the ultra rich by any means.

Bingo. And don't forget that the AVERAGE number of earners in a top-quintile household is 2![0]

[0] https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/explaining-us-income-inequali...

Re: Wage inequality may be starting to reverse

#57
post #12

> Remote work, deglobalization, stalled technology have started eroding some advantages of higher-skilled workers Their premise is broken. The largest inequality is not between highly skilled workers and everyone else. It is between the wealthy (top 0.1% or 0.01%) and the rest.

Not a broken premise at all. The focus on the ultra rich is mostly just a political ploy since it's easy to villainize extravagant wealth. But the vast majority of income (I'm including capital gains in this) is made by the middle class and wage-earning upper class, not by the ultra rich. If you take all the wealth of the ultra rich and distribute it evenly, every person would get a one-time, nice, but not life-chang…

Weird that you think incomes that can approach effective tax rates of ~50% are the problem and not the capital gains that are taxed at 15% to 20%.

If you are wealthy you don't need an income that's taxed a high rate for the plebs, when your wealth is generated by capital gains. Surely you knew this.

Also, your hypothetical is a bit weird. The point of investments isn't to liquidate them immediately, but to reap returns. Owners of significant assets tend to borrow against them instead of liquidating them.

Re: Wage inequality may be starting to reverse

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Dogma makes for good rhetoric, but it doesn't stand up to daylight. The Soviet Union advanced the technology of not just itself, but many of its vassal states such as Cuba. China has long since abandoned communism-in-practice, but it is still one of the most advanced nations in the world. If the success of those countries cannot be accounted to communism, then the success of the U.S. cannot be attributed to capitalis…

94 million dead isn't dogma.

Re: Wage inequality may be starting to reverse

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not a broken premise at all. The focus on the ultra rich is mostly just a political ploy since it's easy to villainize extravagant wealth. But the vast majority of income (I'm including capital gains in this) is made by the middle class and wage-earning upper class, not by the ultra rich. If you take all the wealth of the ultra rich and distribute it evenly, every person would get a one-time, nice, but not life-chang…

> The focus on the ultra rich is mostly just a political ploy No, it's about the power asymmetry that breaks the promises of democracy that comes with it.

This is pure conspiracy thinking, it sounds just like those people who obsess over Bill Gates and George Soros. Please explain how the ultra-wealthy can be so powerful if they aren't spending down much of any wealth, and a lot of what they do spend is on charitable grants made in the public interest to 501(c)3 organizations, which must be politically neutral as a matter of law.

Re: Wage inequality may be starting to reverse

#60
post #30

The premise of this article is absolutely disgusting. The inequality that matters isn't the difference between blue collar workers and college grads with marketing and tech jobs. This is just propaganda to destroy the middle class.

Matters to you because you wouldn't be harmed by it? All egalitarian, equality doctrines will end up here, why wouldn't they? What is the limiting principle? This is why they should be rejected. Pretty funny to see the outrage when the equalizing starts moving down the spectrum. Why shouldn't that blue collar worker want you to be equalized to him, why should he care about your disgust?

It doesn't matter because it's tiny.

The inequality between a Google engineer and a Starbucks barista is tiny compared to the inequality between a Google engineer and Elon Musk.

The article only covers the former and not the latter and therefore acts as the kind of propaganda expected by WSJ. In the author's defense, they admit they're focusing on one narrow benchmark and ignoring capital gains and dividends in this article. The article still has value. But the fact remains that the article has the word inequality in its title and completely fails to cover inequality in its actual sense, the way we understand it in a political context.

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