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Re: Facebook addiction increases depression severity among already depressed people

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I really don't think you can blame social media for designing something that boosts their revenue; they are incentivized to do that. It is better to educate people to stay away from most of the Social Media sites that are harmful or take up too much of their time. We have made smoking a bad habit, why can't we do that same for Instagram or Facebook?

I've seen plenty of campaigns about smoking being a bad habit, but never social media or internet addiction. Only books or fringe documentaries that get discredited in the news/media due to their incentives.

Part of the Big Tobacco settlement with the gov't was to do those kinds of "negative" campaigns. Social Media hasn't had a DoJ suit against them like Big Tobacco did. So there's a big disconnect on these campaigns as punishment vs 3rd party documentaries and crazy tinfoil hat wearing techno nerds (aka HN readers).

Re: Facebook addiction increases depression severity among already depressed people

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A cynical comment about regulation or curtailing this. Everyone agrees smoking causes health problems, is costly and doesn't offer anything. Smoking is regulated (taxes, labels, etc), but cigarettes are readily available everywhere - gas stations, convenience stores, etc. You would imagine that something so universally recognized as detrimental would cease to exist (either outlaws or society would just abandon it com…

What's a solution ? A ban of all social media? The same toxic environment can occur in a forum on any website.

Ban advertising.

Re: Facebook addiction increases depression severity among already depressed people

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Makes sense. A depressed person, sitting inside, looking through the window at their friends playing outside, I guess would feel more depressed.

I wonder if TV commercials have a similar effect, which are filled with images of good looking people having a way better time than you are.

Doubt it. TV commercials encourage you to relate to or see yourself as the person in the commercial. The advertisers want to invoke a positive feeling and identification in hopes you’ll buy the product. The message is “you can have this life too”.

Social media is just pure individualistic ego-stroking by comparison. The message is “my life is better than yours”.

Re: Facebook addiction increases depression severity among already depressed people

#55

I think different social media can trigger depression in different ways. TikTok/Instagram is full of people posting a glossy, edited lifestyle that makes your life feel bad by comparison. Facebook/Twitter filled with more miserable people being miserable about one thing or another (politics/culture wars/news/etc) and allows you to spiral in misery.

It doesn't have to be any characteristic of facebook itself which I think a lot of the comments here are missing. A depressed person addicted to anything will become more depressed.

Having spent a lot of time in addiction recovery spaces, addiction and depression have astoundingly high comorbidity, to the point where much of the time it's hard to tell where one begins and the other ends, which came first in a given person.

There probably are specifics of a social media addiction that are relevant to how it affects users in depression. But that's true of all addiction as well, they all have relevant specifics.

Facebook is the longest-running of our major social networks and the first one where most people really understood that something had fundamentally changed about the world because of it, so it is the most studied. And studies take time, so we have a larger body of research on it specifically. I can almost guarantee that similar findings will obtain about other social media platforms, regardless of their individual dynamics or character.

Re: Facebook addiction increases depression severity among already depressed people

#56
Remember in 2014 when it came out that Facebook tweaked their algorithm for a number of users to boost positive posts, and it turned out that it made them much happier people?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2014/06/28/facebook...

Remember that people completely lost their shit and made Facebook promise not to do that again? Well, instead they just optimized for "engagement" and here we are.

It would be SOOO easy to make a social network that actually increases a global sense of joy, comfort, satisfaction, security, etc. Facebook already has all the users, so they'd be perfect to flip this switch if the general public would let them. Why is it that they get hounded for making people happy, but not when optimizing for addictive compulsive behavior? Are companies just expected to optimize for addiction due to profit margins, something something, yay capitalism? Why is every other optimization off limits?

Facebook already has a massive amount of global social manipulation capabilities. There's no way around that, and no way they can just turn that off. They have the users, and the users expect some form of curation. Maybe at least give users the option to flip on the happy switch? It's still all real news from their network, just slightly boosted towards positive posts. I feel like for them to even be neutral, they should be at least boosting positive posts by 4x due to Negativity Bias inherent in how our brains filter data.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negativity_bias

Re: Facebook addiction increases depression severity among already depressed people

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At some point I thought it was still a thing because my wife was still kinda, sorta, using it.

But years ago she quit.

I hear about Meta and that they own WhatsApp and I see people using WhatsApp.

But FaceBook: among my friends and family who used to post there, nobody ever posts anything. I don't doubt many are still logged in by default because they haven't updated their computer in years but they simply do not posts anything anymore, don't use if to message people (they use WhatsApp or Telegram instead) and don't check their feed.

And most of all: people don't ever talk about FaceBook at parties anymore. Since a long time. It used be a thing: people would ask if you were on FB or tell you about this or that person that posted this or that thing on FB. People don't do that anymore.

I don't understand where FB's MAU numbers do come from: in my (non tech) circle FB is simply already dead.

Re: Facebook addiction increases depression severity among already depressed people

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I'm not defending smoking, but > costly Cigarettes are really cheap in places that don't heavily tax them > doesn't offer anything Human brains like nicotine. It is mildly effective as a mood stabilizer. I think we both agree that the bad health effects are not worth it, but it's not accurate to say there's nothing on the other side of that equation.

I've heard of nicotine as nootropic and I've been meaning to get the gum. Also, I believe it's about the only thing in cigarettes that is not carcinogenic.

While there appear to be some sources claiming nicotine does not cause cancer, it is not a closed case as far as I can tell and there appears to be evidence that it can be an aggravating factor at least.[0]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4553893/

Re: Facebook addiction increases depression severity among already depressed people

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This post made me finally uninstall Instagram from my phone. Though the network effects makes it difficult to completely chuck it from my life. The exodus of my peer group from fb made it possible for me to delete it completely from my life and don't need it anymore. I hope something like that happens for instagram too. It was not for the lack of trying. I tried hard to transfer my friends and family to Signal and was unsuccessful. So now I'm waiting for the forces of nature to take over and hope that something miraculous happens and something that doesn't weaponise human mind takes over instead.
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