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Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

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Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

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I am torn actually unsure on what would be morally correct: 1. I, as an individual, am allowed to deny entry to persons I dislike from my private property. 2. I, as an individual, am allowed to deny entry to persons affiliated with a business I dislike from my private property. 3. I, as a business owner (eg: a restaurant), am allowed to deny entry to persons I dislike (eg: a previous patron who was violent) from my b…

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Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

#52

A lawyer and a Rockettes show today, could be an angry tweeter and their tesla tomorrow or your Facebook post and a healthcare provider.

nit: transpose “Rockettes show” with “Lawyer” to get the correct parallel construction

Aha!

Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

#53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Working against one's own interest because one believes in a higher principle is a good thing. It's what we call "being principled".

> Working against one's own interest because one believes in a higher principle is a good thing. It's what we call "being principled". It can be a good thing while we regularly and objectively evaluate a principle's worth. We humans have a history of allowing principles to obtain rigidity and the diminished outcomes that follow. We also tend to allow principle creep w/o sufficient examination.

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Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

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I am torn actually unsure on what would be morally correct: 1. I, as an individual, am allowed to deny entry to persons I dislike from my private property. 2. I, as an individual, am allowed to deny entry to persons affiliated with a business I dislike from my private property. 3. I, as a business owner (eg: a restaurant), am allowed to deny entry to persons I dislike (eg: a previous patron who was violent) from my b…

The less dramatic version of 2 is a bouncer saying "no, you're friends with Bob, and Bob always causes trouble."

Except that you're not standing in the queue to be processed by the bouncer, but you have a valid ticket, which they sold to you.

Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

#55

Interesting. I think she knows she has no case, but realized her eviction put them in violation of their liquor license, fighting back where it really hurt. Banning lawyers might not be the best idea.

The problem is that her eviction has no case, so might as well weaponize the liquor license to arrive at a similar outcome. They got Capone on tax evasion. Picking a fight with sophisticated legal practitioners seems…poorly thought out?

High level, perhaps private venues shouldn’t be able to ban someone from a venue simply because of who employs them? Perhaps craft the legislation around annual patrons served.

Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

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How do you suppose they got her photo (and associated it with her identity)? Is there someone at MSG (or their facial recognition vendor) whose job it is to look her up on Facebook (Or her employer’s “about” page)?

Common practice for the websites of law firms (and some other fields like private equity) to have the headshots of all employees on their website with job title and description in a nice table.

Example of a different firm where you can even filter by school: https://www.wlrk.com/attorneys/?asf_l=View%20All

Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

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I am torn actually unsure on what would be morally correct: 1. I, as an individual, am allowed to deny entry to persons I dislike from my private property. 2. I, as an individual, am allowed to deny entry to persons affiliated with a business I dislike from my private property. 3. I, as a business owner (eg: a restaurant), am allowed to deny entry to persons I dislike (eg: a previous patron who was violent) from my b…

Your totally ignore the key element here: a new technology is allowing denying entry at a whole new scale. Nobody really has an objection to organization blocking a single individual who is might cause trouble. But blocking an entire class of people is a) newly enabled* and b) much more harmful to society.

If a venue kicked out a lawyer who was actively working on a lawsuit against the venue, nobody would bat an eye. But kicking out every person on payroll at any firm that has a lawsuit against any venue in the parent company, the scale has now transformed this into a different thing.

The next step people worry about is that this same technology could be applied to more than just busniess you dislike. Why not block people who have disparaged your business on social media? Why not block people with poor credit scores or a criminal history?

So you could draw a line between (3) and (4), but you should also be adding

5. I, as a business owner, should I not be allowed to invent new ways to deny entry to entire categories of people.

* obviously blocking people on visual characteristics like skin color is already possible. And that is widely regarded as unacceptable!

Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

#59
Covid is still around. Always wear your mask in public.

Don't show ID unless it's a cop demanding it (when it's legally required). Private parties can't demand ID. Don't give ID for routine transactions. Practice saying no to routine demands for your papers.

It doesn't improve unless a lot of us start ending the transactions.

Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

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I am torn actually unsure on what would be morally correct: 1. I, as an individual, am allowed to deny entry to persons I dislike from my private property. 2. I, as an individual, am allowed to deny entry to persons affiliated with a business I dislike from my private property. 3. I, as a business owner (eg: a restaurant), am allowed to deny entry to persons I dislike (eg: a previous patron who was violent) from my b…

In the US, at least, there are restrictions on 3. You can’t deny entry to black people, for example, just because you don’t like black people.
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