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Apple Music deletes your original songs and replaces them with DRM'd versions

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Re: Apple Music deletes your original songs and replaces them with DRM'd versions

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This is exactly my experience as well. Not an issue imo, you have to preserve the original files still.

>> Not an issue imo That's an odd stance IMO. Should any service or software ever change a user's files without letting them know? I think not, regardless of what ever technobabble explains why it happens

Apple Music doesn't change the file on the device it was imported

Re: Apple Music deletes your original songs and replaces them with DRM'd versions

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Other problems include:

- deleting songs which were on my computer, but which didn't exist in apple's catalogue waaaay back when I originally signed up. That's long gone, but it still bothered me.

- letting me add and listen to albums for months/years, then suddenly marking one or more songs in that album as "not available" (Life Aquatic soundtrack has this, for me)

- relisting albums somehow, sometimes while leaving a single track hanging around

- moving some songs around, for example "Gun" by Chvrches disappeared from the album it was on (The Bones of What You Believe) but I discovered it has appeared under an album I never added - "Virgin Records: 40 years of Disruptions" - Various Artists. Looking under "Various Artists" is a way to find weird thigns like this

- editing the artist in some albums, so while I had a handful under "Prince" they got switched around at one point so they're now by "Prince", "Prince & the N.P.G." and "Prince & The Revolution"

Another fun one that annoyed me, Shazam decided of its own accord to add everything I'd ever Shazam'd into my library (I hadn't used it in months at that point, so it's not something I did).

Looking back on my old setup (folders with artists/albums/playlists, and xmms) with nostalgia :-/ I don't know how I could build that back up or do so in a way that I could listen to it on the go without having to carry an MP3 player.

Re: Apple Music deletes your original songs and replaces them with DRM'd versions

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I had my entire music collection stored on Google Play Music for a time, at one point being my only backup. When I tried to export my music collection, I discovered that not only were the file names and folder structures completely messed up, but I would sometimes get lower bitrate version of the songs or songs with "clean" lyrics - which I know for a fact wasn't what I had originally uploaded. I refuse to use music…

I use Backblaze B2 for my music backups. It costs a bit to restore the files from there, but just storing them is cheap enough for me to not care.

When did they start charging for restoration? Are you doing something other than just downloading it?

Re: Apple Music deletes your original songs and replaces them with DRM'd versions

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is exactly my experience as well. Not an issue imo, you have to preserve the original files still.

>> Not an issue imo That's an odd stance IMO. Should any service or software ever change a user's files without letting them know? I think not, regardless of what ever technobabble explains why it happens

They don’t change your files.

iTunes / Apple Music match your with their catalog and basically flip a flag that says this song is in your library. If a song is in your library you can download the file on other devices, same as if you purchased the song from them.

If I download the song from iTunes via Match it’s a DRM-ed version because they don’t upload files that match the music catalog so there’s no original to download.

Re: Apple Music deletes your original songs and replaces them with DRM'd versions

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Apple Music includes the old iTunes Match features, so it matches your local library with the Apple Music library if you allow it to do so, and uploads only the songs it can't match. This process is not perfect so some songs might be matched to a different version. Anyway, even if I download a matches song it's DRM free on my Mac, and Apple Music won't automatically delete your local files. But I guess bugs happens,…

Apple Music includes the old iTunes Match features It does not - it’s a separate subscription, though you can use both at once. [Edit: maybe I’m wrong? See ensuing discussion below.]

Apple Music (The app) replaced iTunes (The app), and Apple Music (the service) contains a modified iTunes Match service (which used to only be a separate iTunes service) which is still available (the iTunes Match service). The service (iTunes Match) was optional where the Apple Music (the service) method is not optional when using a synced library since part of syncing is matching what is already there. I think that might be what the comment was hinting at.

You can use Apple Music (the app) with Apple Music (the service) and disable library syncing, but enable iTunes Match. But at that point, you might as well use Apple Music (the service).

Selecting AAC does work in both cases if it's about DRM.

Re: Apple Music deletes your original songs and replaces them with DRM'd versions

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Wow this currently has 111 points and is sailing to the top of HN... based on a user misunderstanding... Edit: What's more, the person pointing to the solution isn't even the top-voted comment on this thread. Just everyone repeating their usual anti-Apple fixations.

Based on a "misunderstanding" of obscure user-hostile behavior that no sane person would expect. Behavior that no sane designer would design, and no sane coder would code, absent evil corporate pressure.

And, no, it being "documented" does not excuse it.

I don't have an anti-Apple fixation. My "anti-" is decidedly unfixed, and ranges over Apple, Google, record labels, and all of the other scumbags who operate or influence 99.999999 percent of "the cloud".

Re: Apple Music deletes your original songs and replaces them with DRM'd versions

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Not that it excuses any of this on Apple's part, but holy shit do people with like a ton of music not realize backups are important? Like seriously buy a NAS of any caliber from anywhere or an external HDD or use dropbox but don't put all your eggs in one basket people. I get that "shit happens" and all, but I don't understand how backups are not more prominently known in tech culture as mandatory for data you care a…

The “Bitcoin” people have that saying, cautioning people about wallet ownership and the danger of cloud wallets: “Not your keys, not your coins.” I think we need a clever saying to rattle off every time someone gets burned by relying 100% on a cloud service (either the software screws up user data or suspends their account, without recourse) without backups/alternates. Not your drive, not your data? I don’t know, I’m…

"If you can't hold copies of it, it's not your data."

As in: two external drives, unplugged, one in each hand, each with a complete, usable copy. Bonus points for storing them in separate buildings miles away from each other.

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