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It Pays to Know Ruby: New York City’s Top Tech Jobs (and Their Average Salary)

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For those of you who live in New York City, what sort of standard of living do these salaries represent? Would one be comfortably be able to lease a 3 bedroom apartment within walking distance of work, in a neighborhood with good schools?

Thanks very much for all the replies. So 3 bedrooms basically doesn't even exist, but 1 and 2 is available. No answers on the school issues. Is it uncommon then for developers living in New York City to have children? If you have kids, they all go in a single bedroom it seems and there's no room for a home office since there's no third bedroom. If one is single I can see how it all works, but for those of us with kid…

School situation in NYC is quite complicated. Several things to consider:

1. Private schools cost around $30k a year. However, this price deferential vis-à-vis free public schools is built into property prices so that you are not really "saving" $30k if you live in a magnet school district. This is further complicated by...

2. The vast divide between have's and have-not's and the socialist city rules that attempt to mitigate this divide by sending poor kids to magnet schools. This means that even if you are paying through the nose to live in a good neighborhood (via taxes, or property prices, or rent prices), it is not a guarantee that your kids will go to the magnet school. In fact, the only way to get in is to place your child on the waiting lists within the first months of their life. Even if you are in luck and your kids do get slotted into a good school...

3. These schools are dominated by jaded, entitled urban sophisticates mixed with super intense, tunnel-vision type A's. At least half are on daily pharmaceuticals to help them juggle extremely ambitious workloads and/or social calendars.

IMHO, New York is great for single guys and problematic for everyone else. Once we had a baby, we've made the decision to move, even though financially we could have made it work. The trade offs are just not worth it.

Lastly, if you are pricing properties, don't forget to look at monthly expenses. It's common to pay around $1,500 per month in condo/coop fees on top of your mortgage, and that's for a 1-bedroom.

Re: It Pays to Know Ruby: New York City’s Top Tech Jobs (and Their Average Salary)

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post #8

For those of you who live in New York City, what sort of standard of living do these salaries represent? Would one be comfortably be able to lease a 3 bedroom apartment within walking distance of work, in a neighborhood with good schools?

Realistically, no. If you have no debt, don't mind 2 beds instead of 3 and not above taking the MTA to work, you could scrape by.

I think most folks do not aim to just scrape by.

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post #9

For those of you who live in New York City, what sort of standard of living do these salaries represent? Would one be comfortably be able to lease a 3 bedroom apartment within walking distance of work, in a neighborhood with good schools?

Three bedroom apartments only exist in television programs about New York.

Much like how in a certain television program, the Pontiac Fiero has a back seat.

You know, where the engine is.

Re: It Pays to Know Ruby: New York City’s Top Tech Jobs (and Their Average Salary)

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For those of you who live in New York City, what sort of standard of living do these salaries represent? Would one be comfortably be able to lease a 3 bedroom apartment within walking distance of work, in a neighborhood with good schools?

Thanks very much for all the replies. So 3 bedrooms basically doesn't even exist, but 1 and 2 is available. No answers on the school issues. Is it uncommon then for developers living in New York City to have children? If you have kids, they all go in a single bedroom it seems and there's no room for a home office since there's no third bedroom. If one is single I can see how it all works, but for those of us with kid…

The "home office" concept always seemed like a luxury afforded by cheap space. Space is not cheap in New York City proper.

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post #50

For those of you who live in New York City, what sort of standard of living do these salaries represent? Would one be comfortably be able to lease a 3 bedroom apartment within walking distance of work, in a neighborhood with good schools?

I noticed a bunch of people doing the math on a 100k/year salary for a 3br. Presumably, if you need a 3br it's because you have kids and need to give them each their own room. Is everyone assuming the other partner won't help with anything financially? You can come pretty close to the 4-5k/month number for a 3br if your SO/partner is also making ~100k/year. If you're single with kids, or trying to have 1 stay at home…

The question they seem to be asking is not "Can I afford it" but rather "How much of a quality-of-life hit will I be taking".

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post #22

Once again: Averages without variance have no meaning. This is why, at school, you were taught how to calculate averages at the same time as calculating variance. The variance provides an indication of data spread and the two belong together, like fish and chips. One without the other means incorrect inferences are more likely. Like here.

Oh, I'm sure they are counting on incorrect inferences. You know, using the super-senior dev's $250k salary to mask the introductory salary of $30k and stuff like that...

Re: It Pays to Know Ruby: New York City’s Top Tech Jobs (and Their Average Salary)

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post #31

This obviously doesn't include the financial industry. I know for a fact the average salary range is higher than this. In some of the medium sized firms, not even the large ones. Not to mention Perl is still a highly valued language in this industry which wasn't even included here. I assume this sample is based on start ups only?

We're talking about Ruby. Of course it is based on start ups only. Nobody here is interested in Perl, it is clearly the dinosaur language.

Don't try too hard to correct them. ;)

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