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Re: Links mentioning Mastodon flagged as sensitive on Twitter?

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Post by pannSun »

jakelazaroff wrote: post #42
pannSun wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And the internet isn't print journalism, yet it struck a near-fatal blow to newspaper budgets. That's the economic side of it. The other side is, as you say, established media discreetly [1] censoring alternatives that don't toe the line. But I don't care to have my web browsing be censored by the ADL, no matter how they justify it. [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/Tartaria/comments/ktwypc/warning_re...

All this Reddit/Bitchute/newspaper stuff is a non sequitur — we're talking about Twitter and Mastodon, not any of those other things. Censoring Mastodon is a new policy under Elon. The point of the "hate speech" comment is that there's a plausible reason to suppress Bitchute that doesn't involve stifling competition (especially because, as GP mentioned, Bitchute isn't actually a competitor to Twitter). So it's not ev…

> we're talking about Twitter and Mastodon, not any of those other things.

I don't view things so narrowly. If you want to limit yourself to only Twitter and Mastodon, you are free to do so, but that does not make similar cases non sequiturs.

Re: Links mentioning Mastodon flagged as sensitive on Twitter?

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Post by jakelazaroff »

CameronNemo wrote: post #49
jakelazaroff wrote: post #26

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It should be relatively easy to detect — Twitter can simply check whether a domain implements ActivityPub when a user tries to submit a link.

Wow that would be a scorched earth policy, would it not? You would then be deplatforming video and image hosting sites, discussion forums, and blogs. Including people.kernel.org, the Linux kernel developer blogging platform.

Sure. I don’t know the ActivityPub spec; maybe there’s some way to disambiguate further. But I think Elon would be fine with deplatforming anyone for whom he could get away with it.

Re: Links mentioning Mastodon flagged as sensitive on Twitter?

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Post by nickthegreek »

cyberphobe wrote: post #45
pannSun wrote: post #2

This has been standard operating procedure at Twitter long before Musk: https://reclaimthenet.org/twitter-censors-all-links-to-bitch... And at Google as well: https://reclaimthenet.org/google-play-bans-bitchute-app/ Edit: And at reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/Tartaria/comments/ktwypc/warning_re...

Seems like censoring a website known for hosting hate speech is a bit different to censoring mastodon

the call is coming from inside the house.

Re: Links mentioning Mastodon flagged as sensitive on Twitter?

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Post by jakelazaroff »

pannSun wrote: post #51
jakelazaroff wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All this Reddit/Bitchute/newspaper stuff is a non sequitur — we're talking about Twitter and Mastodon, not any of those other things. Censoring Mastodon is a new policy under Elon. The point of the "hate speech" comment is that there's a plausible reason to suppress Bitchute that doesn't involve stifling competition (especially because, as GP mentioned, Bitchute isn't actually a competitor to Twitter). So it's not ev…

> we're talking about Twitter and Mastodon, not any of those other things. I don't view things so narrowly. If you want to limit yourself to only Twitter and Mastodon, you are free to do so, but that does not make similar cases non sequiturs.

You haven’t demonstrated that they’re similar. So far, all you’ve shown is that Twitter previously displayed sensitive content warnings on links to a video site known for hate speech. That’s the whole point of a content warning. It's not analogous to the current situation, which is that Twitter is abusing that warning to stifle a competing service.

Re: Links mentioning Mastodon flagged as sensitive on Twitter?

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Post by btilly »

saboot wrote: post #47
btilly wrote: post #43

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It is also fucked up how the left manages to convert all conversation about its censorship into whataboutism about the terrible things that the right has said. All I want is a discussion platform without left-wing censorship, but with fact checks on right-wing conspiracy theories. Where controversial things can be discussed. Like how stupid it is that California policies in favor of racial equity helped keep 3/4 of C…

Your first sentence is a whataboutism, that ends in criticizing the left about whataboutism.

There is plenty of blame to go around on both extremes.

I also accused the right of conspiracy theories, then pointed to specific liberal policies that killed people in the name of racial equity. I believe that these things are important to talk about. But people are so focused on slotting others into preconceived sides that they refuse to even talk about what it might mean to have a space where these conversations could be had.

Re: Links mentioning Mastodon flagged as sensitive on Twitter?

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Post by cronix »

nickthegreek wrote: post #46
cronix wrote: post #15

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Yes, it was a DMCA takedown, for showing a copyrighted Dave Chappelle clip from his unreleased new special. Context is good. You can't just walk into a paid performance show, record it with your cellphone and release it willy nilly.

Did they upload the performance or just the Elon musk portion?

The whole show is copyrighted. It was explicitly part of the act as Elon was called up on stage with Dave where it took place.

Re: Links mentioning Mastodon flagged as sensitive on Twitter?

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Post by pannSun »

jakelazaroff wrote: post #54
pannSun wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> we're talking about Twitter and Mastodon, not any of those other things. I don't view things so narrowly. If you want to limit yourself to only Twitter and Mastodon, you are free to do so, but that does not make similar cases non sequiturs.

You haven’t demonstrated that they’re similar. So far, all you’ve shown is that Twitter previously displayed sensitive content warnings on links to a video site known for hate speech. That’s the whole point of a content warning. It's not analogous to the current situation, which is that Twitter is abusing that warning to stifle a competing service.

It's both censorship, you just like the excuse/justification given in one case.

> all you’ve shown is that Twitter

And Google, and reddit. Somehow, when shown the gatekeepers of online attention all censoring in concert with each-other, you see only isolated instances.

"It's completely different. They censored Bitchute before, but now it's Mastodon."

Re: Links mentioning Mastodon flagged as sensitive on Twitter?

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Post by jakelazaroff »

pannSun wrote: post #57
jakelazaroff wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You haven’t demonstrated that they’re similar. So far, all you’ve shown is that Twitter previously displayed sensitive content warnings on links to a video site known for hate speech. That’s the whole point of a content warning. It's not analogous to the current situation, which is that Twitter is abusing that warning to stifle a competing service.

It's both censorship, you just like the excuse/justification given in one case. > all you’ve shown is that Twitter And Google, and reddit. Somehow, when shown the gatekeepers of online attention all censoring in concert with each-other, you see only isolated instances. "It's completely different. They censored Bitchute before, but now it's Mastodon."

It's censorship when they take down spam bots and child porn. But I don't hear you comparing that to what's happening here, because they would be ridiculous comparisons. Again, what is the point of a sensitive content warning if not to warn people about sensitive content?

If, as you allege, the major social media sites are all in cahoots, why is Twitter the only one making it difficult to share links to Mastodon?

Re: Links mentioning Mastodon flagged as sensitive on Twitter?

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Post by EGreg »

jakelazaroff wrote: post #52
CameronNemo wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow that would be a scorched earth policy, would it not? You would then be deplatforming video and image hosting sites, discussion forums, and blogs. Including people.kernel.org, the Linux kernel developer blogging platform.

Sure. I don’t know the ActivityPub spec; maybe there’s some way to disambiguate further. But I think Elon would be fine with deplatforming anyone for whom he could get away with it.

Why would you think that? His whole shtick was to NOT do that

Re: Links mentioning Mastodon flagged as sensitive on Twitter?

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Post by cykros »

wpietri wrote: post #16
pannSun wrote: post #7

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Censoring competition/alternatives.

That is quite a stretch. Bitchute is video hosting, so it's not a Twitter competitor. And you're ignoring that it's well known as a host for hate speech. [1][2] [1] https://www.adl.org/blog/bitchute-a-hotbed-of-hate [2] https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2021/02/24/the...

Mastodon is also known for hate speech, with whole instances seemingly devoted to it.

Meanwhile, the ADL is also well known to push an agenda far beyond addressing hate speech, acting as an apologist for crimes against humanity in service to Israel's colonial regime.

Some people in Texas have been known to be outspoken with their hateful views; does that make Texas a host for hate speech too?

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