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Google has contributed $17.5k to SOPA sponsor Lamar Smith

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Re: Google has contributed $17.5k to SOPA sponsor Lamar Smith

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not a free pass. They explicitly do not support SOPA, this is the same as being told you're a co-conspirator in a crime committed by a homeless man because you gave him $1 when he was sitting in the street.

I’m sorry but in this case is like if that guy had a sign that said “Angry: need money to buy bullets”.

If you're thinking of Google and SOPA, not it's not, because bullets and guns didn't exist when the dollar was given.

You're thinking of the CIA and bin Laden I assume...

Re: Google has contributed $17.5k to SOPA sponsor Lamar Smith

#52

Come on. Google would love SOPA. It's right up their alley of 'do no evil'.

True. It would be legislation in support of their pagerank method where sites are penalized for copyright infringement. Yet SOPA is the beginning of the policing and sterilization of the internet, so it will one day look and feel like a big company intranet.

Re: Google has contributed $17.5k to SOPA sponsor Lamar Smith

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And? Let's be honest here, even if this was done AFTER SOPA became an issue, it's chump change and hardly makes any difference. But this was all done before SOPA, and Google has already made their stance on it quite clear, hence why there is no more donations after June of this year.

Furthermore, we ALL know that politicians NEVER change their stances on anything! We all knew Smith was for SOPA since 1987 when he was first elected, which was clear-cut then and his stance has never changed! /Sarcasm

Re: Google has contributed $17.5k to SOPA sponsor Lamar Smith

#55
Google unambiguously opposes SOPA. They have been one of the leaders in rallying opposition. Following is their testimony to the house judiciary committee (Lamar Smith is the chairman)

http://www.scribd.com/doc/73002393/Google-SOPA-Oral-Testimon... http://judiciary.house.gov/hearings/pdf/Oyama%2011162011.pdf

The idea that Google is supporting SOPA is nonsense.

Re: Google has contributed $17.5k to SOPA sponsor Lamar Smith

#56
I would be careful about vilifying Lamar Smith in the way we did with GoDaddy. Politicians have to create laws based on the problems that people point out to them, and it's unfair to expect them to be experts in any of them. So while I know very little about SOPA and Smith's role in it, I wouldn't automatically leap to saying that Smith is a bad guy, and I certainly wouldn't be vilifying Google for contributing to his campaign.

GoDaddy is different though - they have a long history of scummy actions, and this is merely the straw that broke the camel's back.

Re: Google has contributed $17.5k to SOPA sponsor Lamar Smith

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post #50
post #42

They've also contributed $43.7k to congresswoman Zoe Lofgren: http://transparencydata.com/contributions/#Y29udHJpYnV0b3JfZ... And $20.4k to senator Ron Wyden: http://transparencydata.com/contributions/#Y29udHJpYnV0b3JfZ... Both strongly opposing SOPA/PIPA. So I wouldn't read too much into that arbitrary data point the OP chose to share with us.

Dragging this point up could make Google uncomfortable donating to this person again, and through this perhaps make him to not support random bills of highly questionable nature next time around. It doesn't matter if it were just $1, it's the publicity that matters.

SOPA/PIPA could add costs for Google and thus interfere with their business and seeing that congressman Smith doesn't miss an opportunity to openly bash Google for opposing his plants: http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20111201/14195416946/lamar-...

I think it's safe to assume that he's not going to see a penny from them again, but Hollywood's contributions will more than make up for it anyway.

Re: Google has contributed $17.5k to SOPA sponsor Lamar Smith

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These things are such red herrings. My wife used to be a lobbyist, so there are a few things I've learned that never seem to make the news:

- Most corporate donations aren't about support, they're about hedging bets with candidates. Many corporations will make donations to both Democrat and Republican candidates at national and state levels.

- Most (if not all) politicians aren't single-issue people. There's more going on than SOPA, such as the economy, wars, etc.

- Most lobbying is ineffectual on behalf of the corporation.

Back in the late nineties, during the DOJ trial with Microsoft, a few news outlets made a big deal about the millions of dollars that Microsoft had made in campaign contributions to various candidates and politicians. The anti-MS crowd, Sun chief among them, made a huge deal out of it (as they did with anything they could latch onto from an anti-MS stance). On further review of campaign contributions, it was discovered that Microsoft's political contributions paled in comparison to those of Oracle, IBM, Sun, Intel, and several others with large government contracts. Shocker!

There is a lot made in the press about the undue influence of corporations within American politics. While there are certainly those that exploit that influence (the military industrial complex and the oil industry come to mind), for most corporations it is a loss leader. In spite of the media's presentation, most corporations participate just enough to not be considered antagonistic toward politicians. The interpretation of exuberance in support is rarely reality.

Re: Google has contributed $17.5k to SOPA sponsor Lamar Smith

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post #42

They've also contributed $43.7k to congresswoman Zoe Lofgren: http://transparencydata.com/contributions/#Y29udHJpYnV0b3JfZ... And $20.4k to senator Ron Wyden: http://transparencydata.com/contributions/#Y29udHJpYnV0b3JfZ... Both strongly opposing SOPA/PIPA. So I wouldn't read too much into that arbitrary data point the OP chose to share with us.

Especially if you don't know exactly what position they were lobbing for when slipping the good congressman an envelope full of election cash. Even though the OP has been very economical with the facts, I'm willing to bet Google wasn't arguing in favor of SOPA.

For the young and innocent, this is how it works: Congressman X needs cash to keep his seat, and decides to do something to upset the balance of power in a given industry. Given industry freaks out. Potential winners and losers both flood his office with money, trying to accelerate or forestall the impending act. Congressman X profits handsomely.

Wash, rinse, repeat.

After playing this delightful game long enough to rack up a decent number of wins for any given industry, Mr. X can count on delayed payback in the form of a million dollar salary as a lobbyist for the same industries he used to "regulate".

Revolving Door 101.

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