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It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass sociogenic illness

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Re: It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass sociogenic illness

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Wow. So now that I know that mass sociogenic illness is a thing, where do I draw the line in applying that label?

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I agree with your examples, though they cannot be said.. Hopefully in a saner future, it becomes possible to have a debate about that again.

Re: It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass sociogenic illness

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What's interesting to me is that if we're able to accept the idea that mass social media-induced illness can be developed just by virtue of video watching TikTok or YouTube, then this opens new doors to examining the behaviour of other illnesses such as gender dysphoria that are statistically over represented. This is probably going to get downvoted to oblivion, because nobody wants to confront the idea that we can _…

Since there is a school of thought that gender to a great extent is socially learned behaviour the idea that you by learning more about gender transgression would "create" a desire that "I would be more comfortable in 'that gender' over there" is not far-fetched although I'm not aware of any research. The issue is mostly by those who pathologize that state of not being comfortable in ones "gender assigned at birth", like saying "...other illnesses such as gender dysphoria" and then wanting to "cure" this dysphoria in other ways than enabling a safe and informed transition. Like for instance banning people talking about their experiences, good and bad, in transitioning.

Re: It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass sociogenic illness

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Ironically categorising this as an outbreak of illness legitimises the attention-seeking behaviour which is firmly predicated on being perceived as a sufferer of illness.

I don't think it does. I understand the implication here being the people affected are suffering from Tiktokitis, i.e. symptoms of a different disease, but caused by social media exposure. Suffering from that isn't going to earn you much compassion or street cred, particularly when the cure is to spend less time on social media.

Re: It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass sociogenic illness

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What's interesting to me is that if we're able to accept the idea that mass social media-induced illness can be developed just by virtue of video watching TikTok or YouTube, then this opens new doors to examining the behaviour of other illnesses such as gender dysphoria that are statistically over represented. This is probably going to get downvoted to oblivion, because nobody wants to confront the idea that we can _…

Counter hypothesis. For the last several decades society put massive pressure on kids to conform to heteronormativity. With these pressures lessening more and more people are feeling empowered to explore their sexuality.

Social media is absolutely involved, but we really don't know what the base rate would be in a society devoid of this kind of pressure.

Re: It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass sociogenic illness

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Somewhere I already read about that. It's a fad. A youtuber shows Tourette's symptoms and people copy them. Perhaps it's like stimming. And you can't stop fads and stimming. We see that some people are annoyed. (shrugs)

> And you can't stop fads and stimming.

But if they claim it's a disease, and it's clearly spreading through social media, then the obvious measure to stop it from spreading, is to block the channels through which it's spreading.

Re: It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass sociogenic illness

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What's interesting to me is that if we're able to accept the idea that mass social media-induced illness can be developed just by virtue of video watching TikTok or YouTube, then this opens new doors to examining the behaviour of other illnesses such as gender dysphoria that are statistically over represented. This is probably going to get downvoted to oblivion, because nobody wants to confront the idea that we can _…

Tough call since it is also possible a certain number of people have always felt this way but only by others "coming out" do they now feel comfortable expressing themselves as well.

Re: It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass sociogenic illness

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What's interesting to me is that if we're able to accept the idea that mass social media-induced illness can be developed just by virtue of video watching TikTok or YouTube, then this opens new doors to examining the behaviour of other illnesses such as gender dysphoria that are statistically over represented. This is probably going to get downvoted to oblivion, because nobody wants to confront the idea that we can _…

Didn't a researcher shown that's it was indeed the case ?

That would be the "rapid onset gender dysphoria" controversy, which is so politically charged that lay observers (/me waves) will have a very hard time separating science from ideology.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapid-onset_gender_dysphoria_c...

Re: It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass sociogenic illness

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What's interesting to me is that if we're able to accept the idea that mass social media-induced illness can be developed just by virtue of video watching TikTok or YouTube, then this opens new doors to examining the behaviour of other illnesses such as gender dysphoria that are statistically over represented. This is probably going to get downvoted to oblivion, because nobody wants to confront the idea that we can _…

It reminds me of the old saying “Monkey see .. Monkey do”. An over simplification perhaps but there is no question we “mimic” all the time.

I think similarly.

I am wondering how they differentiate this specific extreme behaviour moving "socially," to other subtle behaviours which are copied and mirrored within small tight knit social groups - especially kids / teenagers? I found the 9:1 ratio of girls to boys intriguing, given the same or very similar mechanism might been a huge benefit to females in past ages where they might be married into a strange culture.

Re: It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass sociogenic illness

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What's interesting to me is that if we're able to accept the idea that mass social media-induced illness can be developed just by virtue of video watching TikTok or YouTube, then this opens new doors to examining the behaviour of other illnesses such as gender dysphoria that are statistically over represented. This is probably going to get downvoted to oblivion, because nobody wants to confront the idea that we can _…

This reminds me of the virus in _Snow Crash_ which is spread virtually, but affects its victims physically.

Re: It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass sociogenic illness

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This passage from the abstract: > Moreover, they can be viewed as the 21st century expression of a culture-bound stress reaction of our post-modern society emphasizing the uniqueness of individuals and valuing their alleged exceptionality, thus promoting attention-seeking behaviours and aggravating the permanent identity crisis of modern man. is rather peculiar. I didn't expect that this is how neurologists and neuro…

Yes this struck me too. I wouldn't describe the language used as 'neutral'.
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