The cloudy layers of modern-day programming

Post by mythhouse » Tue, Dec 06, 2022, 10:33 PM UTC

jjav wrote: post #28

Good article, great points. The Knuth quote on lack of creativity is right on the money. It's why I've been drifting away from hands-on programming even though I'd rather not. I still love programming as much as I ever did as a teenager. Late at night when everyone is asleep and I can work on my own code, it's as much joy as it ever was. What's different is that at $DAYJOB back in the 90s and 00s it used to be just a…

Post by mythhouse » Tue, Dec 06, 2022, 10:36 PM UTC

tester756 wrote: post #18

If you feel like "modern programming is boring configuration mess" then ask yourself - what have you done in order to have interesting job, projects, challenges, etc? I mean, if you decided at some point that $big_salary for throwing JSONs via REST from CRUD app is what you want to do until you pay your loans (e.g decade), then it's fine, but don't be shocked that you aren't doing bleeding edge R&D at some fancy plac…

Post by mattgreenrocks » Tue, Dec 06, 2022, 10:42 PM UTC

agumonkey wrote: post #47

mattgreenrocks wrote: post #31

One thing I had to learn to value my sanity here was to simply not argue about certain topics, such as software architecture. It was like there was this wall of people who emerge from the shadows anytime I argue for better architecture, because it wasn’t directly responsible for Important Enterprise Business Features. Now I realize there’s probably more than one flavor of engineer: 1. software eng: ships features, pr…

It's not far from the top-down vs bottom-up too. Having a wide enough infra helps adapting at the upper layer faster and cleaner.

Post by xcambar » Tue, Dec 06, 2022, 10:53 PM UTC

nesarkvechnep wrote: post #21

tester756 wrote: post #18

If you feel like "modern programming is boring configuration mess" then ask yourself - what have you done in order to have interesting job, projects, challenges, etc? I mean, if you decided at some point that $big_salary for throwing JSONs via REST from CRUD app is what you want to do until you pay your loans (e.g decade), then it's fine, but don't be shocked that you aren't doing bleeding edge R&D at some fancy plac…

Every project I worked on was JS/Node hell. Then I decided to switch to Elixir/Erlang and now I’m much happier. Of course, there are uninteresting or badly engineered projects but overall it’s much better.

Post by soulofmischief » Tue, Dec 06, 2022, 11:01 PM UTC

jjav wrote: post #30

mvaliente2001 wrote: post #29

Although I sympathise with the sentiment, that's just half of the story. Today, I can deploy a high available cluster in minutes using any cloud technology + kubernetes and my favourite web framework. True, I need to learn half dozen of frameworks, and _it feels_ like I'm not working in the core problem, but had I tried to implement an equivalent system without those tools would have taken me months, and I would end…

> Today, I can deploy a high available cluster in minutes using any cloud technology + kubernetes and my favourite web framework. I think the point is (at least for me it is), when you do that, have you done anything new that few or nobody else has done before? No, it's just a well worn path which thousands of organizations have done already.