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Re: Ask HN: How to overcome stage fear / social anxiety

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> Any one who has overcome this fear Yes, but you're not going to like the answer: I stopped caring. Not because that is the best solution, but the only one that worked for me with my limited skill set. I focus on the topic and blatantly assume that my contribution outweighs my presentational shortcomings. People keep seeking my input despite that, so the sum must be a net positive or everybody is just crazy. I read…

A 'I totally don't care about you fools'-attitude was my solution, too. It worked great for me and I love it. I get on stage and have a deep 'love me or hate me, I don't care, that's my show' feeling. After I told to myself that I have this attitude, I started to be able to play with the audience's attention instead of focusing on myself.

> A 'I totally don't care about you fools'-attitude was my solution, too.

This attitude sorted my entire life, and it keeps solving more and more problems.

I am so glad that I adopted this mindset very early in life (late teens).

Re: Ask HN: How to overcome stage fear / social anxiety

#52
I am a stammerer, so I have some experience with social anxiety and fumbling when asked impromptu questions in front of an audience.

In a situation such as what you're describing, and where I couldn't avoid answering, what ended up happening with me was that I would want to get the answer over with as quickly as possible. And that often resulted in fumbling, not thinking things through and generally gibberish coming out of my mouth.

The key for me was to slow things down. I know it sounds simple, but avoid rushing your response. Just take a beat. Make the answer deliberate, and make your brain think about the question being asked. When my brain started working on the problem of "answering the question", I found my anxiety was replaced by eagerness to answer the question. It also did wonders for my stammering, because when talking deliberately about something I was an expert in, the confidence comes naturally.

Easier said than done, but try slowing it down :)

Re: Ask HN: How to overcome stage fear / social anxiety

#53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a bit more nuanced for me, I just wanted to keep my comment short. I love most places I work at, I want to contribute as much value as I can and keep harm away from the company and my colleagues. Given my skills and limitations, it boils down to a simple dilemma: either I contribute and make people mad at me or I shut up and let them walk into their own demise.

You sound young, because it’s never so simple. Sometimes it is far easier and cheaper to fail and then correct than fight for a perfect solution up front. People really don’t like failing. And they’ll often fail faster than you imagine. If you’re looking for reading material, pick up “How to win friends and influence people”

> You sound young

Thank you :-)

> because it’s never so simple

I thought I made it abundantly clear that the reality of the situation overwhelms me and oversimplification is the only way that I could make work.

Re: Ask HN: How to overcome stage fear / social anxiety

#55
I had suffered pretty much the issues for the most of my adult life (almost 10 years) until finally dealing with it this year. I was anxious all the time - every day after I woke up I was constantly thinking of meetings to come and possibility of my body trembling, my voice cracking and thus being judged, being laughed at etc.

The solution for me was to visit a therapist. It took 1.5 years of a therapy (and another 6 months of waiting for a seat) but this is the best investement I have ever made.

For me the issues seemed to originate in the childhood, certain events impacting my thoughts like the feeling of being judged, being inferior to others etc. The therapy is not easy - you need to trust your therapist, open up and be honest with him but it can certainly help.

Re: Ask HN: How to overcome stage fear / social anxiety

#56
Join a local improv group!

I'm not particularly shy, but I'm a little stiff with my body in public. I started doing improv a couple of years ago. Really helped me open up physically in public.

Most people in my group had some similar issues - either with public speaking or public body language.

And if I'm honest, it's also a whole lot of fun. Most groups are very welcoming to newcomers. Check to see if there are any local groups offering introductory classes.

Re: Ask HN: How to overcome stage fear / social anxiety

#57
I was briefly a child actor, but left that world to focus on developing tools and techniques to fight some of the horrible people I met in that space.

There is no replacement for practice… make a slide deck or script and practice it repeatedly, to the point you barely need notes. This will take 10-40 hours for a 30 minute presentation. (Spaced across multiple weeks - you will increase the chances you bomb your talk if you attempt on short notice)

Then practice it in front of someone, and edit the copy until someone who is not an expert in your domain doesn’t want to ask clarifying questions.

Then practice another 10-40 hours until you’re as comfortable as you were prior to trying it out on a test audience.

You might spend 20-40 hours practicing per 30 min of speaking initially, but eventually you’ll get to a point where that ramp up period will get much shorter.

The above, paired with some improv classes and purposefully letting yourself bomb a few open mics will get you to a point where not only will you advance your career, you’ll be so persuasive you may not care if you have one due to all the side quests you go on with the enraptured folks who come to you after your lectures :-)

Re: Ask HN: How to overcome stage fear / social anxiety

#58
Most people don't overcome it, but deals with it. A lot of people still feel it, but choose to ignore it or substitute the feeling with something else. What can help in dealing with anxiety and fear is really just not thinking about it. I know it sounds a little cliché and whatnot, but it really is the best way to deal with it. Anxiety and fear usually stem from overthinking.

Re: Ask HN: How to overcome stage fear / social anxiety

#59
James Earl Jones, according to legend, had a horrific stutter growing up. If you're not familiar, he played Darth Vader and has one of the deepest, richest voices in movies - it is very much his main asset.

Long story short, I read somewhere (usual "I didn't verify this at all" caveat applies) they did some brain scans on him to see if they could figure out anything about stuttering, and as it turns out, when he speaks now, he uses the part of his brain that relates to singing, rather than talking. He didn't fix the problem, in other words, he just sang his way around it, and once you keep that in mind, listening to him speak has a feel to it.

I had crippling social anxiety when younger, I would feel absolute terror going into a party for instance. But I also play in bands, and not once have I ever experienced stagefright in 30ish years of live performance. But if I do a good show and an attractive person approaches me afterwards, I'm just as awkward and useless as ever at closing the deal. In fact, I only feel comfortable hanging out at a bar if I'm playing there - if I'm working, in other words.

Basically, a room full of your peers is not the same as an audience, so don't bother contrasting the two situations; I can tell you with great confidence that they are two different things, even when they are comprised of exactly the same group of people. So whatever you do, don't be confused about why you do well in one and not so much in the other. This is how the anxiety brain works.

The usual suggestion from professionals these days seems to be Cognitive Behavioral Therapy after just about any diagnosis, but it doesn't sound like you've sought a diagnosis for your social anxiety yet. Worth pursuing - there are also pills that can help without the debilitating effects of alcohol or other things people use to get over that hump.

Re: Ask HN: How to overcome stage fear / social anxiety

#60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Related to "not caring" is "realizing that others don't notice near as much as you do". It's like hearing your own heartbeat as you're trying to fall asleep. No one else can hear it; they also don't notice slight pauses nearly as much as you do. Take the time you need and plow through it.

> "realizing that others don't notice near as much as you do" Not a necessary truth

OK, I should probably amend that. Verbal fillers and overused words are often more noticeable to the audience than to the speaker (or umm-ahh-er). Those tend to not be judged very harshly though and are rarely a reason to be fearful of how you're perceived while public speaking.
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