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Re: GoDaddy supports SOPA, redditor proposes "Move your Domain Day"

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Post by markkanof »

maximusprime wrote: post #33
praptak wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> you can't reasonably support an "open internet" in all instances. There have to be some exceptions. Why? I am fine with the internet not blocking anything at all, even though I accept limits on free speech. To drag the "speech" analogy further, I can shout whatever I want and I'm ok with the fact that in some cases this can bring consequences.

So if a company starts infringing trademarks, polluting search engines en masse, tricking people into buying their rubbish, phishing their details, getting credit card details etc, you'd be fine with that? What about people who DDoS attack you? Is that fine? No need to have any recourse there? How about those that hack DNS to dupe people into visiting their site etc Those are all "Open Internet", but they're also not…

Those things are already illegal and SOPA doesn't address them anyway. I think the important point is that the internet should not be restricted in an attempt to preempt any criminal activity (because it won't work). Instead, the internet should be left alone, and those who choose to do illegal things on the internet should be prosecuted.

Re: GoDaddy supports SOPA, redditor proposes "Move your Domain Day"

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Post by X-Istence »

maximusprime wrote: post #41
revscat wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My list of what should be legally restricted in its availability is as follows: 1) Child pornography End list. National security is not enough of a reason for restrictions. Copyright is not enough of a reason. Further, the assumption that corporations or governments have exclusive moral authority to determine what constitutes impermissible material is, frankly, ridiculous. Giving them the authority to make such decis…

I would personally add 2) Websites that are known for mallware, phishing, or otherwise going to mess you up. As I said I don't know if SOPA is good/bad, but my point was that "I support an Open Internet" is a bit of a cop out.

Even those websites should be allowed. Should we provide counter measures to help the user decide of a website is legitimate or not, absolutely, but their right to exist shouldn't be tampered with.

Re: GoDaddy supports SOPA, redditor proposes "Move your Domain Day"

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Post by Ein2015 »

revscat wrote: post #36
maximusprime wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does "Open Internet" mean though? You can't reasonably support free speech in all instances, just like you can't reasonably support an "open internet" in all instances. There have to be some exceptions. It's the listing of those exceptions and how you deal with them that's the tricky bit. So saying "I support an open internet" is just ignoring the issue.

My list of what should be legally restricted in its availability is as follows: 1) Child pornography End list. National security is not enough of a reason for restrictions. Copyright is not enough of a reason. Further, the assumption that corporations or governments have exclusive moral authority to determine what constitutes impermissible material is, frankly, ridiculous. Giving them the authority to make such decis…

Child porn is how .au passed their censorship stuff and it has quickly expanded. Child porn is already illegal and, in my opinion, doesn't need deep cutting censorship bills to combat.

Re: GoDaddy supports SOPA, redditor proposes "Move your Domain Day"

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Post by citricsquid »

drzaiusapelord wrote: post #46
citricsquid wrote: post #2

To put it frankly, godaddy don't give a shit. Their domain business exists as a way to get people into their other products, hosting, whois privacy etc. the ones that actually make money (nobody makes money on domains nowadays, savvy customers use coupons which godaddy provides a lot of). This won't do anything to Godaddy as a business, they'll be losing customers they don't care about -- unless people shutting off t…

I'm skeptical of this claim. Registrars pay ICANN something like 7 cents a year per domain and they resell for $10+. That's a nice chunk of change there. Toss in SSL certs for at least that much, you're probably making decent money just on these alone. The hosting and other crap is just more services. I'd say low-end hosting is the loss leader here. Its a commodity industry. I personally don't use them because I find…

Where are you getting that information? ICANN fee is $0.18 and then the registrars pay a cost for the domain to the company that oversees the TLD. For example, verisign oversee .com and they charge $7.34 per domain registration, so a registrar pays $0.18 + $7.34 as their base cost per .com registration.

Re: GoDaddy supports SOPA, redditor proposes "Move your Domain Day"

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Post by alexro »

maximusprime wrote: post #33
praptak wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> you can't reasonably support an "open internet" in all instances. There have to be some exceptions. Why? I am fine with the internet not blocking anything at all, even though I accept limits on free speech. To drag the "speech" analogy further, I can shout whatever I want and I'm ok with the fact that in some cases this can bring consequences.

So if a company starts infringing trademarks, polluting search engines en masse, tricking people into buying their rubbish, phishing their details, getting credit card details etc, you'd be fine with that? What about people who DDoS attack you? Is that fine? No need to have any recourse there? How about those that hack DNS to dupe people into visiting their site etc Those are all "Open Internet", but they're also not…

So, how SOPA makes anything better? You cannot blacklist a botnet, right? You cannot blacklist a scummer, as he would just setup another domain, right? Who you can very well blacklist is a small guy with his blog giving a honest opinion about reality, right?

Re: GoDaddy supports SOPA, redditor proposes "Move your Domain Day"

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Post by nextparadigms »

freejack wrote: post #12

This blog post from their lead lobbyist defending their support is absolutely grating. http://rudysyndrome.com/2011/10/28/online-copyright-laws-won... "Most of what we are seeing is either 1) rhetoric, 2) regurgitated lobbying spin, 3) criticism of language we have already fixed, or 4) retweets by people who like to steal music and buy fake, but cheap, goods." Ugh. (oBDisclaimer: I work for a registrar that unequivoc…

I know probably many people would agree with stopping "cheap fake goods", but can people really not distinguish between originals and fake products?

If anything I wouldn't be for a law that completely bans the cheaper versions of the original. I'd be for a law that only makes it illegal to say they are originals when they are not. But I would allow them to be sold in the market, as long as they state it's a "clone" product or something.

It might or might not hurt the big corporations (would the people buying the cheap clones really have the money to buy the expensive originals otherwise?), but I think it would be much better for the market overall

Re: GoDaddy supports SOPA, redditor proposes "Move your Domain Day"

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Post by pleasebehonest »

maximusprime wrote: post #33
praptak wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> you can't reasonably support an "open internet" in all instances. There have to be some exceptions. Why? I am fine with the internet not blocking anything at all, even though I accept limits on free speech. To drag the "speech" analogy further, I can shout whatever I want and I'm ok with the fact that in some cases this can bring consequences.

So if a company starts infringing trademarks, polluting search engines en masse, tricking people into buying their rubbish, phishing their details, getting credit card details etc, you'd be fine with that? What about people who DDoS attack you? Is that fine? No need to have any recourse there? How about those that hack DNS to dupe people into visiting their site etc Those are all "Open Internet", but they're also not…

Hold on. In this post of yours (http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3382000), you said:

> I'm against SOPA as much as the next guy

Here, you're saying you don't know whether to support the warrentless censorship of websites you disagree with. Why are you saying two different things?

Re: GoDaddy supports SOPA, redditor proposes "Move your Domain Day"

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Post by pardner »

If you decide to move your domains from Godaddy, and if your DNS is hosted there too, and if you have enough DNS records to not want to recreate them, there's an undocumented way to export the nameserver records from Godaddy to another DNS provider such as Zerigo. In a nutshell (1) upgrade to Godaddy Premium DNS ($35 but refundable within 5 days) (2) Export each domain's DNS settings (3) Cancel Godaddy Premium DNS. Now you can quickly import your DNS settings at your new registrar or DNS host if they handle importing of bind files. Not everyone imports nicely, but Zerigo worked for me. Details here http://pardner.com/2011/11/how-to-switch-dns-painlessly-from...

Re: GoDaddy supports SOPA, redditor proposes "Move your Domain Day"

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Post by sunchild »

ceejayoz wrote: post #40
gravitronic wrote: post #4

alternate: use godaddy, but only their loss-leading coupons when they appear. For example, I registered a domain last week using a code that got me $1.00 domain registration. The code expired last week unfortunately so posting it would be irrelevant.

Same thing's true for their SSL certificates. $12 if you Google, $60+ if you don't.

Careful, they'll autorenew those at a much higher price. Mine went up to $100+ when it renewed last month. I'm kicking myself for being stuck with that cert, especially since the GoDaddy badge isn't exactly the mark of trustworthiness.
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