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Switching to AWS Graviton slashed our infrastructure bill

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Re: Switching to AWS Graviton slashed our infrastructure bill

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Post by no_wizard »

MuffinFlavored wrote: post #43
no_wizard wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd argue just find a different cloud provider. GCP, Azure, Supabase, Cloudflare etc if you want managed services. If you want a mix of managed services and raw compute, look more at Fly.io, Linode, Digital Ocean perhaps? I have found AWS being the "cheapest" or even "reasonable" in the cost department to be slimmer every year.

Cloudflare doesn’t let you host Docker containers or offer managed Postgres do they?

Its all about how they may fit in your stack. Most definitely fly.io does. I think Cloudflare as far as I'm aware is they're looking at supporting Docker.

I just listed managed services (not all of them may fit I imagined)

Re: Switching to AWS Graviton slashed our infrastructure bill

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Post by gryf »

sbarre wrote: post #47
gryf wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah if only. Our ops people are too uneducated to be able to deploy anything Apple. Literally there are armies of factory pressed Windows monkeys but nothing in the Apple space. Note to apple: please start concentrating on the enterprise sector. We're dying over here. My Dell weighs 3x my personal M1 MBP, has a shitty keyboard with keys designed for Borrowers, the battery lasts 8 minutes and it reduces my sperm coun…

For what it's worth, I work in a large 30,000 employee company. Everyone gets a Windows machine by default. 6 years ago our department of 200 people "went rogue" and started provisioning Macs, because it was the only way we could hire developers and provide a good developer experience for the work we were doing. This took some convincing, but it was possible. We agreed to be unsupported by the in-house help desk, but…

Unfortunately we're in a regulated industry so getting a PO signed off for one Mac is nigh on impossible without involving the entire corporate machinery.

Re: Switching to AWS Graviton slashed our infrastructure bill

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Post by throwaway821909 »

gryf wrote: post #30
jacobwg wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anecdotally, this is starting to shift with M1 MacBooks, Graviton is looking more attractive for precisely that architecture parity reason for teams using majority M1 devices.

Yeah if only. Our ops people are too uneducated to be able to deploy anything Apple. Literally there are armies of factory pressed Windows monkeys but nothing in the Apple space. Note to apple: please start concentrating on the enterprise sector. We're dying over here. My Dell weighs 3x my personal M1 MBP, has a shitty keyboard with keys designed for Borrowers, the battery lasts 8 minutes and it reduces my sperm coun…

Can you use a plain Hyper-V VM? i.e. with Hyper-V Manager

Re: Switching to AWS Graviton slashed our infrastructure bill

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Post by mbesto »

fxtentacle wrote: post #33

FYI https://squeaky.ai/legal/gdpr I believe using Amazon AWS already disqualifies you from being fully GDPR-compliant. Same issue as Shopify has with using US CDNs: https://lsww.de/shopify-illegal/ Since your core sales feature is "privacy friendly" which will surely be appreciated in the EU, it might make sense to offer local hosting or self-hosting.

> I believe using Amazon AWS already disqualifies you from being fully GDPR-compliant.

AFRIK - There is nowhere in GDPR that says your data ought to reside in EU server per GDPR.

However, if I understand the Shopify legality complaint it's saying "because your data is hosted by a US entity and theoretically could be accessed by the US authorities it means the US authorities are now part of the data custody and you can't guarantee that they also have that data". That's a legal grey area with a lot of political ramifications.

According to Shopify this doesn't make it illegal: https://www.shopify.com/de/blog/shopify-dsgvo-konform-deutsc...

Re: Switching to AWS Graviton slashed our infrastructure bill

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Post by gryf »

throwaway821909 wrote: post #54
gryf wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah if only. Our ops people are too uneducated to be able to deploy anything Apple. Literally there are armies of factory pressed Windows monkeys but nothing in the Apple space. Note to apple: please start concentrating on the enterprise sector. We're dying over here. My Dell weighs 3x my personal M1 MBP, has a shitty keyboard with keys designed for Borrowers, the battery lasts 8 minutes and it reduces my sperm coun…

Can you use a plain Hyper-V VM? i.e. with Hyper-V Manager

Tried that but unfortunately there are some painful addressing and routing issues when you are subjected to when dealign with a corporate always on VPN. Ergo you can't actually contact clusters which you have to admin via kubectl.

Re: Switching to AWS Graviton slashed our infrastructure bill

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Post by axiak »

andrewstuart wrote: post #4

I found graviton to be a mixed bag. It was certainly extremely fast when using the very high end instances and I tested it successfully using a Rust based message queue system I was writing and it got some ridiculously fast number like 8 million messages a second, from memory, using the fastest possible graviton instance (this was about 18 months ago). I did try to switch some of my database servers to it a couple of…

Arm has a much looser memory model than x86 [1 for a comparison]. It's possible that the random hangs are due to a race condition in PG that doesn't show up in x86 because memory visibility doesn't require as much synchronization.

1: https://www.nickwilcox.com/blog/arm_vs_x86_memory_model/

Re: Switching to AWS Graviton slashed our infrastructure bill

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Post by makestuff »

matt-p wrote: post #10

Imagine how much they'd save by not using AWS in the first place

I have only ever used AWS, what is the go to cloud provider these days? I know GCP and Azure are catching up, but are people just going back to renting some boxes in a data center and just hosting their stuff on there?

Re: Switching to AWS Graviton slashed our infrastructure bill

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Post by fred_is_fred »

_joel wrote: post #16
Terretta wrote: post #8

The marriage of an all arm64 dev env and a Graviton op env is a match made in heaven. Everyone please do this so we collectively fix all the things to work with this. :-)

It is unless you're the first poor soul to embark on the journey with lots of x86_64 buildup. Having said that, it's been fun though so far. Managed to migrate our dev local k8s toolchain and been using buildx to make multiarch images and manifests for our internal stuff.

We've moved everything to graviton except EKS (MSK, RDS, etc). Did you have any major issues? Would you do it again?

Re: Switching to AWS Graviton slashed our infrastructure bill

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Post by fxtentacle »

mbesto wrote: post #55
fxtentacle wrote: post #33

FYI https://squeaky.ai/legal/gdpr I believe using Amazon AWS already disqualifies you from being fully GDPR-compliant. Same issue as Shopify has with using US CDNs: https://lsww.de/shopify-illegal/ Since your core sales feature is "privacy friendly" which will surely be appreciated in the EU, it might make sense to offer local hosting or self-hosting.

> I believe using Amazon AWS already disqualifies you from being fully GDPR-compliant. AFRIK - There is nowhere in GDPR that says your data ought to reside in EU server per GDPR. However, if I understand the Shopify legality complaint it's saying "because your data is hosted by a US entity and theoretically could be accessed by the US authorities it means the US authorities are now part of the data custody and you ca…

Yeah, according to Shopify.

According to a German court, a US parent company being able to access your data - which is the case both for Shopify and here - automatically disqualifies you from being GDPR-compliant: https://gdprhub.eu/index.php?title=VK_Baden-W%C3%BCrttemberg...

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