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After Delhi High Court ruling, Telegram discloses personal details of users
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#52Don't use messengers that ask for your phone number and aren't end-to-end encrypted. Use services that store as little data as possible. If data is stored, it can be given away and I would assume that it will be given away. Telegram disguises itself as encrypted chat app, when it is actually just a regular centralized plaintext messenger that has an encryption feature that nobody uses.
TLDR don't use Telegram and Signal as some "alternatives" Use Matrix clients (Element, Fluffy chat) or Session, Briar (no (video)calls), Delta (no (video)calls), Jami, not recommending Threema because they can tie you through payment and it's centralized Here simple chart to see what to use and not use (use translate feature): https://www.messenger-matrix.de/messenger-matrix.html
Matrix might become the best option, but as of now I seem to recall it having some rather serious issues, ranging from not handling metadata well to malicious homeservers possibly breaking the encryption of users on other homeservers
I might be misremembering though
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yes. yes yes. yes. yes 100%. the same reason i avoid whatsapp and signal like the plague. "mobile number" is in itself a big identifier when you are living in a place where you have o do mandatory KYC so that the government knows which each mobile number is linked to the actual human being. i dont care signal doesnt hold any messages. the government can ask for my number and they can use the xkcd spanner method to do…
Sure, but couldn't you just use a disposable number? (Assuming you live in a place where you can buy SIM cards without showing a personal ID, which is most countries.) That's a minor inconvenience compared to not being able to communicate with most people who use these mainstream networks. I'm more worried about the lack of encryption and trustworthiness aspect of them than giving away a phone number.
Most countries require SIM card registration nowadays.
https://www.phonetravelwiz.com/phone-travel-options/sim-card...
> Of the 245 countries/territories with territory-bound mobile operators, 185 countries have SIM card registration laws. 13 will collect biometrics (fingerprints, but some will take a face scan too). 51 countries have no registration requirements.
Which by itself is questionable.
Re: After Delhi High Court ruling, Telegram discloses personal details of users
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Pavel Durov seems to be proud of never having disclosed user data to authorities and mentions it every time he disses another messenger. Guess he can't do that anymore now. (Just to clarify: I like Telegram. I just don't like Durov very much and the way he positions Telegram as the superior messenger in every way, even though it obviously isn't when it comes to encryption in particular.)
It is not the first case for Telegram. So, Durov will continue with his show... they claim that Telegram is e2e encrypted, but don't mention that needs to be activated per chat
They don't claim this. They claim Cloud Chats are encrypted, which is true and only claim e2ee for Secret Chats, which is also true.
Re: After Delhi High Court ruling, Telegram discloses personal details of users
#56Don't use messengers that ask for your phone number and aren't end-to-end encrypted. Use services that store as little data as possible. If data is stored, it can be given away and I would assume that it will be given away. Telegram disguises itself as encrypted chat app, when it is actually just a regular centralized plaintext messenger that has an encryption feature that nobody uses.
yes. yes yes. yes. yes 100%. the same reason i avoid whatsapp and signal like the plague. "mobile number" is in itself a big identifier when you are living in a place where you have o do mandatory KYC so that the government knows which each mobile number is linked to the actual human being. i dont care signal doesnt hold any messages. the government can ask for my number and they can use the xkcd spanner method to do…
This is silly. You adopt practice based on your threat model. Threat models presuming the government can just torture information out of you also mean that any system will give you away - you're either completely anonymous or not, but if you use a messenger of any kind from your home internet IP address, then they'll come pick you up.
Telecom companies have full records of who had what IP, for what duration and when as does your ISP. If a phone number will get you pinched (based on no decryptable data) then so will anything else.
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So that basically means don't use any messenger.
No, most. Like Signal for example. Even without security you can't migrate between android and iphone or have multiple devices with the same account. But they have crypto amd stories now lol.
All the hating on Signal but for me it's the best and fits my threat model. I live in the UK and by all accounts I'm pretty unremarkable - I want privacy but not overly worried about anonymity, I also wanted something that I could persuade family and friends to use.
Signal works perfectly in my use case, my friends and family happily switched over to it where when I tried to help my parents set up Matrix it was super verbose and required them to remember long passwords, etc. (of course they shoul dbe using a password manager, but one step at a time!).
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#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
yes. yes yes. yes. yes 100%. the same reason i avoid whatsapp and signal like the plague. "mobile number" is in itself a big identifier when you are living in a place where you have o do mandatory KYC so that the government knows which each mobile number is linked to the actual human being. i dont care signal doesnt hold any messages. the government can ask for my number and they can use the xkcd spanner method to do…
Sure, but couldn't you just use a disposable number? (Assuming you live in a place where you can buy SIM cards without showing a personal ID, which is most countries.) That's a minor inconvenience compared to not being able to communicate with most people who use these mainstream networks. I'm more worried about the lack of encryption and trustworthiness aspect of them than giving away a phone number.
> Assuming you live in a place where you can buy SIM cards without showing a personal ID, which is most countries
I had understood that the majority of countries now required SIM card registration. Plenty of EU member states do (at least Belgium, Austria, Italy, Germany...), so it's not just the usual suspects(!)