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Re: Playstation 6 Release Leaked

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Post by sofixa » Fri, Nov 25, 2022, 4:00 PM UTC

Victerius wrote: post #31

UltraViolence wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That Microsoft is going to abuse its ownership of Activision is a certainty. They've already proclaimed they will only keep certain franchises on PlayStation for several more years after the merger succeeds. This merger needs to be stopped dead in its tracks. If competition authorities allow this merger they're factually legalizing market abuse.

Counterpoint 1: The low barriers to entry of the video game industry make it easy for new players to disrupt the space if Microsoft wants to abuse its position. Counterpoint 2: The product is video games at the end of the day. It's not exactly as important as life saving drugs or internet service providers, where antitrust resources are more needed. There is an unlimited number of ways for consumers to entertain them…

> The low barriers to entry of the video game industry make it easy for new players to disrupt the space if Microsoft wants to abuse its position.

Low barrier to entry? Have you seen how many years of development it takes to develop a modern AAA or even AA game?

Re: Playstation 6 Release Leaked

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Post by chrisfosterelli » Fri, Nov 25, 2022, 4:00 PM UTC

UltraViolence wrote: post #23

cowsup wrote: post #6

They’re simply saying that Xbox’s promise to keep Activision software on PlayStation “long-term” is likely only going to last for this console generation, and will end around the time of the PS6. This is their attempt at putting the phrase “long-term” into perspective. This isn’t an announcement or leak on the scale of the GTA 6 leak. Just Sony stating the obvious fact that the PS5 will not be their only console for…

That Microsoft is going to abuse its ownership of Activision is a certainty. They've already proclaimed they will only keep certain franchises on PlayStation for several more years after the merger succeeds. This merger needs to be stopped dead in its tracks. If competition authorities allow this merger they're factually legalizing market abuse.

It's a very ironic argument from the platform that most aggressively pursues exclusives IMO. They frequently negotiate timed exclusive deals even with multiplatform games or negotiate clauses that forbid smaller game studios from publishing on Microsoft's Game Pass. MS has been criticized for years for having comparatively poor exclusives, and they try to fix it to find their primary competitor cries murder.

Re: Playstation 6 Release Leaked

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Post by UltraViolence » Fri, Nov 25, 2022, 4:25 PM UTC

Victerius wrote: post #31

UltraViolence wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That Microsoft is going to abuse its ownership of Activision is a certainty. They've already proclaimed they will only keep certain franchises on PlayStation for several more years after the merger succeeds. This merger needs to be stopped dead in its tracks. If competition authorities allow this merger they're factually legalizing market abuse.

Counterpoint 1: The low barriers to entry of the video game industry make it easy for new players to disrupt the space if Microsoft wants to abuse its position. Counterpoint 2: The product is video games at the end of the day. It's not exactly as important as life saving drugs or internet service providers, where antitrust resources are more needed. There is an unlimited number of ways for consumers to entertain them…

So we should allow market abuse just because it isn't of vital importance? Me thinks not.

Re: Playstation 6 Release Leaked

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Post by richliss » Fri, Nov 25, 2022, 4:42 PM UTC

I'm more interested in know if the Pro versions of the PS5 and XSX come out in 2023.

I've read rumours, anyone here work in gaming and seen them as devkits?

Re: Playstation 6 Release Leaked

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Post by ohgodplsno » Fri, Nov 25, 2022, 5:01 PM UTC

oblio wrote: post #2

I guess it's the standard console cycle, probably with a refresh in the middle, around 2024? Oh, how is PS5 performance compared to 2022 midrange gaming PCs? I remember some sort of benchmarks and for 2020 I think it was very competitive.

It still is extremely competitive, merely for the fact that it's $500.

You cannot, today, get any good GPU for less than that price. An RTX3060 is $439 (if you can find one), the Intel Arc A770 is $350 if I remember correctly. A midrange gaming PC these days will easily cost you over a thousand dollars, more if you're still looking to get the scalped out cards.

Of course, it's awfully restricted, and dear fucking god I wish I could at least write custom software for it. A PS5 + Moonlight for streaming games that are on the PC still would be amazing.

Re: Playstation 6 Release Leaked

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Post by ethbr0 » Fri, Nov 25, 2022, 5:22 PM UTC

scarface74 wrote: post #29

ethbr0 wrote: post #19

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Or, you know, you just fund people to jump ship: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Respawn_Entertainment The industry as a whole would be a lot better off if platform-studio vertical integration were banned, and strict financing-only co-ops set up as counterweights to EA/Activision accumulation.

So no company that owns a platform should be able to release its own software? Should a platform owner be able to fund a third party studio to produce content? Should the courts force a game maker to support all platforms?

IMHO, no, yes, no.

The intent is to prohibit platforms from leveraging their greater capital reserves to purchase and permanently acquire (and platform-limit) those who make software, thereby decreasing competition between platforms and increasing profits.

There's never been an industry where this worked well for the consumer or society. See: ATT, IBM, Microsoft, Apple.

Re: Playstation 6 Release Leaked

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Post by scarface74 » Fri, Nov 25, 2022, 6:23 PM UTC

ethbr0 wrote: post #56

scarface74 wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So no company that owns a platform should be able to release its own software? Should a platform owner be able to fund a third party studio to produce content? Should the courts force a game maker to support all platforms?

IMHO, no, yes, no. The intent is to prohibit platforms from leveraging their greater capital reserves to purchase and permanently acquire (and platform-limit) those who make software, thereby decreasing competition between platforms and increasing profits. There's never been an industry where this worked well for the consumer or society. See: ATT, IBM, Microsoft, Apple.

Microsoft released Word and Excel on Macs before it was released on its own platforms and has been available on Macs for 40 years. PowerPoint started on the Mac. An Office 365 subscription works across Macs, Windows, iOS and Android.

Apple has never had anywhere near a monopoly on any platform. AT&T had a government mandated monopoly.

What major software company has Apple acquired aside from NeXT?

Re: Playstation 6 Release Leaked

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Post by ethbr0 » Fri, Nov 25, 2022, 7:09 PM UTC

scarface74 wrote: post #57

ethbr0 wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IMHO, no, yes, no. The intent is to prohibit platforms from leveraging their greater capital reserves to purchase and permanently acquire (and platform-limit) those who make software, thereby decreasing competition between platforms and increasing profits. There's never been an industry where this worked well for the consumer or society. See: ATT, IBM, Microsoft, Apple.

Microsoft released Word and Excel on Macs before it was released on its own platforms and has been available on Macs for 40 years. PowerPoint started on the Mac. An Office 365 subscription works across Macs, Windows, iOS and Android. Apple has never had anywhere near a monopoly on any platform. AT&T had a government mandated monopoly. What major software company has Apple acquired aside from NeXT?

Microsoft has always had a love/hate obsession with monopolization. In the early days, they were famous for stating that strategically they wanted to be the platform people-who-were-not-MS made software money on, because that was how you became a dominant platform.

But of course that buckled at various times (first with proto-Office vs 1-2-3 & WordPerfect, then with the 90s dominance / Encarta-era smorgasbord of random MS software).

Excel was released on Mac because Microsoft wasn't confident in directly challenging 1-2-3 (on DOS) or early-Windows capabilities. And ultimately, it was exactly the fact that Microsoft owned the OS that allowed them to dominate in office apps and browsers in the 90s/00s.

Apple has had a monopoly on two device platforms (iPods, then iOS) and has abused both of them to its own profit.

ATT didn't have a government mandated monopoly: it had a series of every-few-decades consent decrees in which it bargained with the US government to avoid being nationalized. See https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingsbury_Commitment

Apple has acquired a substantial amount of software and developers. They just tend to do so at the nascent product stage (vs Google and MS acquiring later). See https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mergers_and_acquisit...

Re: Playstation 6 Release Leaked

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Post by scarface74 » Fri, Nov 25, 2022, 8:33 PM UTC

ethbr0 wrote: post #58

scarface74 wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Microsoft released Word and Excel on Macs before it was released on its own platforms and has been available on Macs for 40 years. PowerPoint started on the Mac. An Office 365 subscription works across Macs, Windows, iOS and Android. Apple has never had anywhere near a monopoly on any platform. AT&T had a government mandated monopoly. What major software company has Apple acquired aside from NeXT?

Microsoft has always had a love/hate obsession with monopolization. In the early days, they were famous for stating that strategically they wanted to be the platform people-who-were-not-MS made software money on, because that was how you became a dominant platform. But of course that buckled at various times (first with proto-Office vs 1-2-3 & WordPerfect, then with the 90s dominance / Encarta-era smorgasbord of rand…

> Apple has had a monopoly on two device platforms (iPods, then iOS) and has abused both of them to its own profit.

iOS is not a monopoly with 50%. We had a real judge during the Epic vs Apple case say as much.

Encarta was also available for the Mac.

Re: Playstation 6 Release Leaked

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Post by justsomehnguy » Fri, Nov 25, 2022, 11:10 PM UTC

scarface74 wrote: post #35

justsomehnguy wrote: post #24

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> And next year you get a new one, and the next year another You can't wear your PS5 to flaunt how rich, current, stylish, trendy you are. People are happy to shell out money for a status symbols. US practice of contract subsidizing the price of the phone helped it greatly, when even high schoolers could get it.

Yes because in a country where 50% of the people own an iPhone and you can get one by working 5 hours on minimum wage per month, it’s really a “status symbol” to have the same thing everyone else has and it shows you are “rich” that you can afford to pay $30/month.

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