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Re: Tell HN: Cloudflare Is Blocking Piped

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Post by nine_k »

iquerno wrote: post #42
zelphirkalt wrote: post #15

By now Cloudflare is more of an obstacle to the free web than it is helping. A centralized entity, whose scripts from randomly named subdomains you must allow to run on your machine, or be stuck at their obnoxious "checking your browser" page endlessly reloading, because some web dev decided to put their website behind Cloudflare. Cloudflare is one of the most prominent reasons for me to simply close the browser tab…

I never really understood Cloudflare's intent, because from the marketing material it seems that you get DDOS "protection", free TLS certs, everything in a monthly package, affordable, bla bla bla. But from some basic calculations I get that R2, Workers and egress bandwidth beyond a few terabytes costs just as much as Oracle cloud / Alibaba. But what I dislike the most is how little control you have over what's going…

A few TB/mo is quite enough for a lot of smaller companies, and DDoS protection is something that a smaller company can see as a pretty valuable thing. A CDN with thick worldwide presence does not hurt either. So using Cloudflare is a no-brainer for a smaller business, especially with the prices they offer. Not using Cloudflare means either buying separate DDoS protection (likely offered by your cloud provider), or risking an extortion attack.

Some competition exists, but it's both more expensive and less reliable and convenient.

Re: Tell HN: Cloudflare Is Blocking Piped

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Post by breakingcups »

Jamie9912 wrote: post #6
mhoad wrote: post #5

This is the same company that has repeatedly gone to the mat to ensure Nazi’s and targeted hate campaigns remain active online. But this is where they draw the line? They have on multiple occasions had long and public campaigns talking about how important it is to fight censorship in all its forms except a random DMCA troll in Hong Kong? I don’t think Cloudflare really love “free speech” as much as they pretend in th…

They weren't hosting anything..

Listen, the stuff is on their hard drives, being served by their servers through their public IP addresses. I don't care whatever backend method they use to update their cache from some other origin, by all accounts they are hosting and serving it.

Re: Tell HN: Cloudflare Is Blocking Piped

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Post by nine_k »

codedokode wrote: post #43

Cloudflare might end a golden era of scraping, when it was trivial to scrape data from any site. Now Cloudflare helps site owners to make sure than only humans can read their contents manually. As more site owners switch to similar services, web will become less and less machine readable. No automated data processing, no archiving.

But wait, AI models will help bots looks like real humans accessing a site! They'll try hard to will fool the AI models that check if a site is browsed by a human.

Ha-ha, only serious.

Re: Tell HN: Cloudflare Is Blocking Piped

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Post by nine_k »

sylware wrote: post #53

And cloudflare again! Those guys... not to mention their pesky "browser verification" which is does not work with noscript/basic (x)html browsers.

It's the site owners who enable this; they are just not interested in users who run noscript or any other non-standard setup.

Re: Tell HN: Cloudflare Is Blocking Piped

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Post by bArray »

newsclues wrote: post #41
BlackLotus89 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is yewtu.be a stupid domainname? It's an "alternative" spelling of youtu.be that's easy to memorize and fast to type. I use a plugin to redirect to newpipe instances, but if I hadn't one I would probably use yewtu.be because it would suck to always type something like piped.kavin.rocks or invidious.pussthecat.org

I think that is a comment about alt right commentators online. YewTube sounds like an anti Semitic joke.

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Re: Tell HN: Cloudflare Is Blocking Piped

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Post by hardwaresofton »

ilyt wrote: post #22
zelphirkalt wrote: post #15

By now Cloudflare is more of an obstacle to the free web than it is helping. A centralized entity, whose scripts from randomly named subdomains you must allow to run on your machine, or be stuck at their obnoxious "checking your browser" page endlessly reloading, because some web dev decided to put their website behind Cloudflare. Cloudflare is one of the most prominent reasons for me to simply close the browser tab…

I still remember when they posted some articles about those pages wasting time https://blog.cloudflare.com/introducing-cryptographic-attest... while they are main reason (in my browsing at least) the "verification pages" happen.

One thing I noticed was how cloudflare branding used to be pretty prominent on those pages, and now is pretty small.

I think they probably realized that maybe they don't want to be known as the reason these pages are showing up everywhere and inconveniencing legitimate traffic.

Re: Tell HN: Cloudflare Is Blocking Piped

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Post by bArray »

I also get CloudFlare now blocking my access to RSS feed MP3s for some podcasts. Once the almighty CloudFlare deems you a threat, your IP is burned. These days I can use less and less of the internet.

I really want to just see us get to the point where we don't have to rely on such services. I refuse to use them or any other for services I run, DDoS be damned.

Re: Tell HN: Cloudflare Is Blocking Piped

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Post by Jamie9912 »

breakingcups wrote: post #52
Jamie9912 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They weren't hosting anything..

Listen, the stuff is on their hard drives, being served by their servers through their public IP addresses. I don't care whatever backend method they use to update their cache from some other origin, by all accounts they are hosting and serving it.

It's not on their hard drives.

Why don't you go and complain to Telco providers, and undersea cable infra for forwarding pro-nazi bits.

Re: Tell HN: Cloudflare Is Blocking Piped

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Post by AtNightWeCode »

iquerno wrote: post #42
zelphirkalt wrote: post #15

By now Cloudflare is more of an obstacle to the free web than it is helping. A centralized entity, whose scripts from randomly named subdomains you must allow to run on your machine, or be stuck at their obnoxious "checking your browser" page endlessly reloading, because some web dev decided to put their website behind Cloudflare. Cloudflare is one of the most prominent reasons for me to simply close the browser tab…

I never really understood Cloudflare's intent, because from the marketing material it seems that you get DDOS "protection", free TLS certs, everything in a monthly package, affordable, bla bla bla. But from some basic calculations I get that R2, Workers and egress bandwidth beyond a few terabytes costs just as much as Oracle cloud / Alibaba. But what I dislike the most is how little control you have over what's going…

I agree that it is difficult to know exactly what you are paying for but they are very affordable.
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