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Re: Israel deploys remote-controlled robotic guns

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Post by woodruffw »

_glass wrote: post #48
woodruffw wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What makes Israel somewhat unique is the readiness with which it deploys “less lethal” weapons. I don’t think New Zealand regularly tear gasses large areas under its control, or fires sponge-tipped bullets into crowds. And, as a Jew: Israel is not “the Jews.” They’re a country, one that does not represent my interests, or the interests of millions of other Jews.

It does. Also New Zealand, the land of the Māori. You could construct here a narrative of "large areas under its control", i.e. European settlers vs. Māori. Israel is not a special country here. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/03/this-is-a-mome...

What does? Are you saying that New Zealand regularly tear gasses the Māori? I’ve never heard that before.

I have no doubt whatsoever that New Zealand’s colonization was violent, inhumane, and broadly under-accounted for. This doesn’t somehow excuse Israel, which is unique by virtue of the recency of its founding and actions.

Besides, things don’t need to be special or unique to be wrong. Everything I’ve said would apply equally even if Israel does not stand out in its contemporary applications of violence (which it does), and still bears unique relevance by claiming to represent people like me (which it doesn’t) through blanket claims of antisemitism.

Re: Israel deploys remote-controlled robotic guns

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Post by drdrek »

I'll start by saying that we all hope for the end of violence, don't let internet trolls that spread hate blind you to the possibility of respectful co-existence, but I just wanted to share a "Fun fact".

There is an entire branch of the IDF responsible for border sensor and control systems, and operation is done mostly by women.

Be truthful, you imagined a man being behind the trigger.

Re: Israel deploys remote-controlled robotic guns

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Post by coredog64 »

ceejayoz wrote: post #24
FormerBandmate wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tear gas and sponge-tipped bullets are used by police everywhere, including New Zealand of all places. Al Jazeera is literally Qatari government propaganda and there’s substantial evidence that DCI Palestine is tied to terrorist groups ( https://www.reuters.com/world/finnish-christian-charity-cuts... ). Don’t let propagandists blow tragic accidents out of proportion to scapegoat the Jews

> Tear gas and sponge-tipped bullets are used by police everywhere, including New Zealand of all places. This is odd though, right? Using tear gas in war is a war crime, for almost a hundred years now. It's very strange that we permit its use on civilian populations.

There’s an escalation risk in using tear gas and that’s why it’s a war crime.

Re: Israel deploys remote-controlled robotic guns

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Post by natch »

factsarelolz wrote: post #42

I find it interesting that such a small country and population can create the most devastating Offensive Kinetic and Cyber weapons… Is this due to conscription and the revolving door with the Military/Civilian sectors? There have been multiple Cyber Security Companies “created” by ex-military personnel. Any insight / conversation on the topic is welcome.

I’d guess it’s due to the nature of the unrelenting violent opposition they face. Necessity is the mother of invention.

And to be fair (making both sides equally pissed off here), from the Palestinian perspective, the violent opposition is seen to be necessitated by the violent oppression and other injustices.

But for Israel it’s not just about their internal opposition. They are surrounded by enemies near and far interested in their violent demise. So of course they are highly motivated to develop effective weapons.

Re: Israel deploys remote-controlled robotic guns

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Post by bluefirebrand »

ceejayoz wrote: post #24
FormerBandmate wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tear gas and sponge-tipped bullets are used by police everywhere, including New Zealand of all places. Al Jazeera is literally Qatari government propaganda and there’s substantial evidence that DCI Palestine is tied to terrorist groups ( https://www.reuters.com/world/finnish-christian-charity-cuts... ). Don’t let propagandists blow tragic accidents out of proportion to scapegoat the Jews

> Tear gas and sponge-tipped bullets are used by police everywhere, including New Zealand of all places. This is odd though, right? Using tear gas in war is a war crime, for almost a hundred years now. It's very strange that we permit its use on civilian populations.

If the Geneva convention wasn't a blanket ban on chemical weapons, tear gas wouldn't likely be covered by it.

Guessing at intent, because obviously I wasn't involved in writing it, It was written to be as blanket as possible to avoid future uses of mustard gas or anything remotely like it, and to avoid quibbles of "Well it's not Exactly mustard gas which is the only thing explicitly banned".

Not saying that using tear gas on civilians is awesome and we should tolerate it, but tear gas isn't really at that level.

Now I'm actually wondering if pepper spray would be considered a war crime too

Re: Israel deploys remote-controlled robotic guns

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Post by [deleted] »

johanneskanybal wrote: post #46
factsarelolz wrote: post #42

I find it interesting that such a small country and population can create the most devastating Offensive Kinetic and Cyber weapons… Is this due to conscription and the revolving door with the Military/Civilian sectors? There have been multiple Cyber Security Companies “created” by ex-military personnel. Any insight / conversation on the topic is welcome.

Their history, their location, while being an advanced country. It only makes sense it's top of mind and taken seriously where it's not really in many other parts of the known world. Feels like the few Israeli programmers and engineers I've met all have some story of that one time they worked on a military project while it's pretty uncommon in general.

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Re: Israel deploys remote-controlled robotic guns

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Post by lardo »

cendyne wrote: post #49
tartoran wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is that going to make the operators less remorseful?

An anime called Psycho-Pass comments on this. A system existed to replace the remote view with a cartoonish environment with chicken characters so the operators would not receive psychological harm from operating a violet instrument.

Ender’s Game comes to mind

Re: Israel deploys remote-controlled robotic guns

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Post by [deleted] »

ceejayoz wrote: post #24
FormerBandmate wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tear gas and sponge-tipped bullets are used by police everywhere, including New Zealand of all places. Al Jazeera is literally Qatari government propaganda and there’s substantial evidence that DCI Palestine is tied to terrorist groups ( https://www.reuters.com/world/finnish-christian-charity-cuts... ). Don’t let propagandists blow tragic accidents out of proportion to scapegoat the Jews

> Tear gas and sponge-tipped bullets are used by police everywhere, including New Zealand of all places. This is odd though, right? Using tear gas in war is a war crime, for almost a hundred years now. It's very strange that we permit its use on civilian populations.

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Re: Israel deploys remote-controlled robotic guns

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Post by krolden »

drdrek wrote: post #52

I'll start by saying that we all hope for the end of violence, don't let internet trolls that spread hate blind you to the possibility of respectful co-existence, but I just wanted to share a "Fun fact". There is an entire branch of the IDF responsible for border sensor and control systems, and operation is done mostly by women. Be truthful, you imagined a man being behind the trigger.

Just because they're women doesn't mean they aren't "the man".

Re: Israel deploys remote-controlled robotic guns

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Post by amanj41 »

cendyne wrote: post #49
tartoran wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is that going to make the operators less remorseful?

An anime called Psycho-Pass comments on this. A system existed to replace the remote view with a cartoonish environment with chicken characters so the operators would not receive psychological harm from operating a violet instrument.

There was a Black Mirror episode with a similar concept where footsoldiers were implanted with a chip that made them see enemies as literal monsters
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