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Re: Delaware judge discovers hidden entity recruiting people to be patent trolls

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Tradition has held that these are ideas, not inventions, and thus obtain value precisely because they can and should be freely shared (which is the ultimate aim of patents anyway). Ideas may also require intellectual labour. But one may not receive the protection of the government for them to give temporary advantage over competitors. Ideas are a collaborative venture, protocols being the very epitome of this - since…

I’m interested in what “traditions” you’re talking about here? Honestly, it is not even clear to me what you’re talking about when you say “these” in your sentence. Certainly tradition hasn’t held that Rust memory management is an idea and therefore not patentable. Same with new models in ML? Maybe there is some tradition for protocols, but even those are generally patentable but required to be licensed via FRAND. Yo…

Pretty sure that it's not for ideas, but for specific implementations of ideas, patents being criticized as abusive when they are not specific enough ?

One example I saw just today :

Thomas Savery getting a patent on "make, imitate, use or exercise any vessells or engines for raiseing [sic] water or occasioning motion to any sort of mill works by the impellent force of fire,", which I assume subordinated Thomas Newcomen during the patent's duration = all of his life to Savery, despite Newcomen's engine being much more advanced & commercially successful... (at least he didn't end up destitute, like some of the previous steam engine inventors !)

https://technicshistory.com/2021/05/05/the-pumping-engine/

Re: Delaware judge discovers hidden entity recruiting people to be patent trolls

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Maybe patents is a bad idea and should be removed.

The idea behind them is solid... the time limits are absurd, especially for trivial stuff. So, to solve the triviality, the patents shouldn't be worth more than it would take for a competitor to reinvent the end result - so if we're talking about a truly advanced chemical process, sure, takes time and reasearch and people and experiments... definitely worth millions. In contrast, pressing pageDown and in result movin…

But that's not how invention works : what about advances that seem trivial after the fact... yet nobody has thought of for centuries, despite all the "ingredients" being available ?

Re: Delaware judge discovers hidden entity recruiting people to be patent trolls

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We have readers at the Delaware courthouse and, incredibly, the courthouse network setup blocks the site for Chrome users if I use Cloudflare. I tried for weeks to find a solution other than removing Cloudflare but nothing seemed to work, and I really want people from the courthouse to be able to read the blog!

> the courthouse network setup blocks the site for Chrome users if I use Cloudflare Lovely. As my local county attorney told the court, "We will not be using the cloud because it is not secure," this doesn't surprise me. The bane of local governments strikes again.

Aren't they correct?

I would ballpark Delaware court IT security requirements as similar to DoD Secret level clearance.

And as far as I understand a higher security cloud solution is usually a custom ask and really expensive at any of the major providers, simply not affordable for smaller organizations.

Re: Delaware judge discovers hidden entity recruiting people to be patent trolls

#54

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What made you remove it?

We have readers at the Delaware courthouse and, incredibly, the courthouse network setup blocks the site for Chrome users if I use Cloudflare. I tried for weeks to find a solution other than removing Cloudflare but nothing seemed to work, and I really want people from the courthouse to be able to read the blog!

Worth debugging. Please email me at marek at cloudflare dot com

Re: Delaware judge discovers hidden entity recruiting people to be patent trolls

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> But maybe a better moral would be that shell corporations (& lawyers playing shell games with them) should be outlawed. Shell companies have done more damage to the world than most tyrants ever could - enabling tax evasion, escaping responsibility for substandard construction (you close the company after completing contruction of a house) or for decommissioning toxic assets like exhausted mines or oil rigs. They ar…

Most of those aren’t shell companies by the common definition of a shell company. Usually people talking about shell companies are referring to companies with no business interests at all or if they are bring expansive only contracts/ip agreements. A construction company is doing actual business. Land owned in a corporation has an actual asset etc. Most startups start as shell companies, you sort of can’t create a co…

Anonymous companies are bad.

I think you could fix a lot of the issues by requiring that all companies must be recorded in a public registry that includes contact information, owner and executive names, as well as a list of actual physical locations where the company operates (if any -- online businesses don't need to have a physical location).

Re: Delaware judge discovers hidden entity recruiting people to be patent trolls

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But real inventions can occur in software too? Inventions that takes serious money, expertise and so on. Some examples: - Rust memory management - New models in machine learning that enables amazing results - Protocols

Tradition has held that these are ideas, not inventions, and thus obtain value precisely because they can and should be freely shared (which is the ultimate aim of patents anyway). Ideas may also require intellectual labour. But one may not receive the protection of the government for them to give temporary advantage over competitors. Ideas are a collaborative venture, protocols being the very epitome of this - since…

Isn't an invention just an implementation of an idea. I also don't understand why many accepy patents except for software

Re: Delaware judge discovers hidden entity recruiting people to be patent trolls

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Can someone explain the significance of the court's inquiry? I understand how it's interesting to see how one NPE structures it's relationships. But aside from the mail drop / physical location shenanigans, I can't tell if there's any legal significance to this information.

Fingers crossed that the court just says "this reeks too much like a scam to me" and summons the real owner of these patents instead of the mailbox / shell companies, under threat of dissolving the shell companies.

Re: Delaware judge discovers hidden entity recruiting people to be patent trolls

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Current USPTO patent examiner here. The most effective way to eliminate bad patents would be to give examiners more time, say double the time across the board to start. If an examiner can't find prior art in the little time they're given, and they have no other reasons to reject the application, they'll have to grant it. The amount of time was (basically) set in the 1970s based on data from the 1960s. There have been some minor increases since then. Several orders of magnitude more prior art exists now. And while search technology has improved, it hasn't become orders of magnitude better. So I'd argue that the workload has increased dramatically since the 1970s. Simply giving examiners more time would probably greatly reduce the grant rate, and also incidentally reduce examiner stress levels. Patent examination is a tough job, as examiners rarely get enough time to do a quality job, and this leads to the high stress levels.

USPTO upper management is taking comments about the "robustness and reliability of patent rights" until February. You can leave your comments here:

https://www.regulations.gov/document/PTO-P-2022-0025-0001

Unfortunately giving examiners more time is only briefly addressed in this request for comments. I think the public should really drive home the point that the procedural changes discussed wouldn't be anywhere near as effective as simply giving examiners more time.

Don't believe examiners are overworked? Take a look at this subreddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/patentexaminer/

(Note that this comment is only my opinion, not that of the USPTO, US government, etc.)

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