I am very much pro Ukraine and all that. But please let’s keep having respect for other humans. No matter how much we hate them. That’s also part of our value system we’re defending over there.
"Orcs" is an incredibly gentle term, but fair enough, they're not literally orcs. "The Russian invaders who rape infants and then throw them in mass graves with their parents failed to establish air superiority partly due to the effectiveness of the manpads."
Where do attack helicopters fit into modern war, out of curiosity? From my very uninformed point of view -- seems like in a world where man-portable weapons are getting more and more capable, being in a relatively (compared to jets) slowly moving, lightly (?) armored flying vehicle would be pretty terrifying.
I think we’re in a transition period where it looks like drones will probably replace scout and attack helicopters. In the mean time a chopper like this probably still has a role, but I think they’re on the wrong side of history with this. For now though, while western militaries can afford to hand out LAWS and MANPADS to their troops like sweets, India’s main rivals probably can’t. Yes an individual MANPAD is much c…
The runtime cost of helicopters is pretty terrible, though. You can easily exceed the cost of several expendable "switchblade" type drones simply taking off and flying to the target.
"Orcs" is an incredibly gentle term, but fair enough, they're not literally orcs. "The Russian invaders who rape infants and then throw them in mass graves with their parents failed to establish air superiority partly due to the effectiveness of the manpads."
Oooh, do America/Iraq next
That is also awful, and the way American leadership covered for those monsters nauseates me.
Manpads really aren't all that effective against helicopters. I don't think anything has fundamentally changed in the past 40ish years in regards to the ubiquitousness of manpads or how they work. Helicopters are comparatively cheap, effective, flexible and difficult to shoot down without proper AA, but that's what combined arms is for, or a lot of luck. Only about 40 helicopters were lost to hostile fire in Iraq fro…
> Only about 40 helicopters were lost to hostile fire in Iraq from 2004-2009 Russia has lost that many helicopters in about 9 months in Ukraine, id say the effectiveness of helicopters is largely dependent on the capabilities of your opponent and whether or not you can gain air superiority.
My understanding is that many helicopters are not equipped with the necessary countermeasure systems. The Russians send out a mix of machines, some with and some without the necessary gear. These groups ore often ovewhelmed by multiple manpads fired at the same time.
> Only about 40 helicopters were lost to hostile fire in Iraq from 2004-2009 Russia has lost that many helicopters in about 9 months in Ukraine, id say the effectiveness of helicopters is largely dependent on the capabilities of your opponent and whether or not you can gain air superiority.
Russia has made a lot of mistakes that have nothing to do with Ukraine. I find it difficult to draw any accurate or useful conclusions from the war that translate to the US or Western armies other than don't repeat Russia's mistakes. I certainly wouldn't base any opinion on the effectiveness of helicopters in general on Russian performance in the current war.
> I certainly wouldn't base any opinion on the effectiveness of helicopters in general on Russian performance in the current war.
Sure but (and I could be wrong here) isn't this the first time that modern Russia helicopters has gone up against modern MANPADS in a near peer type of conflict?.
Id say it shows at least the effectiveness of different MANPADS against specific countermeasures no?.
Russia has made a lot of mistakes that have nothing to do with Ukraine. I find it difficult to draw any accurate or useful conclusions from the war that translate to the US or Western armies other than don't repeat Russia's mistakes. I certainly wouldn't base any opinion on the effectiveness of helicopters in general on Russian performance in the current war.
> I certainly wouldn't base any opinion on the effectiveness of helicopters in general on Russian performance in the current war. Sure but (and I could be wrong here) isn't this the first time that modern Russia helicopters has gone up against modern MANPADS in a near peer type of conflict?. Id say it shows at least the effectiveness of different MANPADS against specific countermeasures no?.
If the conclusions you want to draw are about Russia, fine. But it's simply not comparable to how Western armies function. I don't see how you're going to remove all the noise from the data like lack of maintenance, bad training, lack of readiness, outdated hardware, bad doctrine execution, bad leadership, etc.
As a thai whose nation adopted lots of Pali/Sanskrit words, I have to look up the word origin https://www.wisdomlib.org/definition/pracanda because I suddenly understand the meaning of "Prachan", in thai it means "confront". Indian naming always gives sci-fi kind of vibe.
प्रचंड or Prachand also means super aggressive / wanton form
India could benefit greatly from restricting the emmigration of her top talented people. Right now the smartest Indians work abroad. The increasingly anti-west foreign policy might be early indications of steps towards that.
India is not anti west. The west has this binary/absolute way of looking at things, "either somebody is with them or against them". India recognises the world is a much more complicated place and sees the world through its own perspective rather than whatever self serving agenda driven perspective the west deems as the only valid one. India has a long track record of being a non-aligned power. If anything india has b…
But even that perspective that you ascribe to India is reductive. It seems in your view, India are the only ones who understand complexity, the West are just arrogant morons. In reality, everyone's equally just looking out for themselves. In the West we don't care about Kashmir, in India people don't care about Ukraine. It's the same, until one day India will discover that Russia is useless against China and the US and the West are not. And then there will be a realignment. When it happens it won't be about any fancy ideals, it'll just be interests realigning.
"Orcs" is an incredibly gentle term, but fair enough, they're not literally orcs. "The Russian invaders who rape infants and then throw them in mass graves with their parents failed to establish air superiority partly due to the effectiveness of the manpads."
Oooh, do America/Iraq next
Look up Phoenix program for wild things. Not to take any Iraqi victims lightly, but Vietnam had much more atrocities.
India could benefit greatly from restricting the emmigration of her top talented people. Right now the smartest Indians work abroad. The increasingly anti-west foreign policy might be early indications of steps towards that.
The current govt is the most pro western it's ever been. India was usually on the Soviet side of the cold war
India seems to genuinely embrace Democracy though, which tends to stick in Western minds much more than the complications of Realpolitik.