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FBI: Carrier IQ files used for "law enforcement purposes"

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Re: FBI: Carrier IQ files used for "law enforcement purposes"

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Excellent, remove the fault from the corporations and give even more power. Whatever happened to warrants?

Where did the article indicate that Law Enforcement didn't need a warrant to access the Carrier IQ data?

Carrier IQ is very much like wire tapping. Wire tapping requires a warrant[1]. What about warrant for Carrier IQ?

That was my point.

[1] Not sure, but I think it did at one point or still does. Maybe some bill or act made that void, not sure.

Re: FBI: Carrier IQ files used for "law enforcement purposes"

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The most troubling part of this whole story is that Carrier IQ itself may be breaking Federal laws by logging keystrokes without getting consent from the user...and then the FBI uses that data in investigations. Wonderful.

It acts as a keylogger on some android phones, when Carrier IQ is put into a "debug state". The researcher apparently triggered that by accident without knowing. It's not the default log level. Carrier IQ is likely benign and this whole issue seems to be bad tech journalism and sensationalism.

Do you really think this is logical, or even probable, based on the FBI's past history with abusing "National Security Letters" and other forms of snooping? Note that FBI has a long-term problem with wanting to collect info on legitmate dissenters: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO

Re: FBI: Carrier IQ files used for "law enforcement purposes"

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There's no way to send a remote message to enable it?

Unknown. However, the FBI can send a remote message to ANY phone to turn on its microphone and essentially use it as a wiretap. That's been built into every phone in the USA for something like 10 years now. It's why you have to surrender a cell phone in secure locations and military bases. That's old news. Said wiretaps have actually been used against organized crime in America in the past and is likely used with mor…

>However, the FBI can send a remote message to ANY phone to turn on its microphone and essentially use it as a wiretap. That's been built into every phone in the USA for something like 10 years now. It's why you have to surrender a cell phone in secure locations and military bases.

Really? When a phone is off, it's off, I don't believe the FBI can make a phone that has been hard powered off come up and start recording. The hardware just isn't capable of doing anything when it's hard powered off (evidenced by the fact that most phones need a signal to establish what time it is when you power them on.)

Re: FBI: Carrier IQ files used for "law enforcement purposes"

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no way to send a remote message to enable it?

Unknown. However, the FBI can send a remote message to ANY phone to turn on its microphone and essentially use it as a wiretap. That's been built into every phone in the USA for something like 10 years now. It's why you have to surrender a cell phone in secure locations and military bases. That's old news. Said wiretaps have actually been used against organized crime in America in the past and is likely used with mor…

Said wiretaps have been used against the Olympic Committee: googling "Athens Affair" yields a nice story, http://spectrum.ieee.org/telecom/security/the-athens-affair There are rumors of the FBI's "Carnivore" (A.K.A. "DCS-3000" and "DCS-6000" getting used the same way in the USA.

Re: FBI: Carrier IQ files used for "law enforcement purposes"

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This unfolding Carrier IQ scandal is a really huge deal in my opinion. It just shows how our phones are used by both companies and law enforcement to track us, and that probably for a decade with software like this. Anybody knows if there is a website that tracks this incident, affected phones, related news, ...?

Wait, you're just figuring out now that anything that travels through a cell phone network could be monitored?

A lot of people wonder whether this is tracking theories are for real. Now at least one very popular way of how its currently being done is exposed.

Re: FBI: Carrier IQ files used for "law enforcement purposes"

#56
Interesting excerpt from CarrierIQ's apology to Eckhart, which exists thanks to the EFF:

We would like to take this opportunity to reiterate the functionality of Carrier IQ’s software, what it does not do and what it does:

Does not record your keystrokes.

Does not provide tracking tools.

Does not inspect or report on the content of your communications, such as the content of emails and SMSs.

Does not provide real-time data reporting to any customer.

Finally, we do not sell Carrier IQ data to third parties.

http://www.carrieriq.com/company/PR.EckhartStatement.pdf

Re: FBI: Carrier IQ files used for "law enforcement purposes"

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait, you're just figuring out now that anything that travels through a cell phone network could be monitored?

A lot of people wonder whether this is tracking theories are for real. Now at least one very popular way of how its currently being done is exposed.

Wired broke the stories about the NSA monitoring something like 25% of all domestic cell phone traffic. The fact that all investigations into it have been stopped citing "National Security", and the former President Bush defended the tactic all are pretty good signs pointing to "YES".

Re: FBI: Carrier IQ files used for "law enforcement purposes"

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A profile is being generated about you, slowly but surely. It starts out as a vague picture, but the more you communicate, the the more clearly you define yourself. It includes your political affiliations, interests you display online, who your friends are, your every movement, your sexual preferences, close secrets, and anything else that can be gathered about you. These profiles are stored in a government database…

... And you can't 'escape' it. Eventually a lack of data on you will be suspicious in and of itself.

Unless you have an AI living a low key, nonthreatening virtual life for you.

Re: FBI: Carrier IQ files used for "law enforcement purposes"

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post #9

A profile is being generated about you, slowly but surely. It starts out as a vague picture, but the more you communicate, the the more clearly you define yourself. It includes your political affiliations, interests you display online, who your friends are, your every movement, your sexual preferences, close secrets, and anything else that can be gathered about you. These profiles are stored in a government database…

>These reports will be sent to the appropriate LEO to summon and indefinitely detain you. You will be sent to a secret prison.

it may be not the worst what could happen to one. Reading about Kennedy/Oswald/Ruby, i've been wondering how much of a precisely targetted influence one is needed to be made behaving in a specific way. How much of our actions are really "ours"?

Re: FBI: Carrier IQ files used for "law enforcement purposes"

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's an easy way around that, though: speak, act, live and think in a manner that's patently inoffensive to anybody. * I guess I'm being too subtle with my sarcasm, huh. Well, I'll be Larry Literal from now on.

It wouldn't surprise me if that, in and of itself, was an identifier. I find myself thinking of coin-flip experiments, where it's trivial to discern who ran some sort of legitimately random test, and who just made up Heads and Tails, because humans are terrible at approximating randomness.

The usual solution to that is automation. While it is obviously nontrivial to automate creating all the data of a normal human life, it's hardly impossible.
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