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Why are so many babies born around 8:00 AM? (2017)

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Re: Why are so many babies born around 8:00 AM? (2017)

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This is a good example of how in the real world, everything is correlated with everything. Understanding this principle, I would expect uneven birth times and birth dates. I may not be able to guess what will cause it to be uneven (though in this particular case I would have gotten pretty close), or by how much it will deviate from uniformly random (I would have gotten this wrong to the low side), but it's sure to be…

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Re: Why are so many babies born around 8:00 AM? (2017)

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How labor and delivery doctors treat women is criminal. A hospital should not be a butcher shop.

Have you ever actually been in a labor and delivery room with someone getting a c section? I was literally 3 days ago. And "butcher shop" is nowhere close to how I describe it.

Yes I have two kids one of which was delivered by c-section.

Re: Why are so many babies born around 8:00 AM? (2017)

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Tl;Dr: ~30% of births are C-section, and hospitals prefer early morning operations.

And from anecdote, so should mothers. Early morning (~8AM) you get the A staff at their prime and are often the first case so it is usually timely. The worst time is 6:30AM (or whenever half an hour before changeover is). You either get C staff and/or people who have been awake for 24 hours. The surgeon probably called that time so they could book night rates.

Surgeons usually prefer to start operating before 8AM. They are awake, the OR is clean, the staff is fresh, and they have all day afterward to monitor for complications (and jet out early if everything goes well). The worst surgery times are probably starting around 7PM and going until 6AM. Those are usually emergencies, the OR has been in use all day, the surgeon probably has less experience as they are earlier in their career, the preferred materiel might be waiting to be autoclaved, etc.

Re: Why are so many babies born around 8:00 AM? (2017)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The contrast to "the US hospital business" is not necessarily "socialized systems". A better contrast is, as the original commenter pointed out, birthing centers (or home births). A contrast to a hospital OBGYN in the US is a certified nurse midwife.

Even midwife systems often end up with a "ball of midwives" where you may not even know who you're going to get, and then they go off the clock at 6 PM and someone new steps in. Everything is a cost/benefit/availability tradeoff, and time is just one of the many variables that are being juggled. Of course, if you have money to throw at the problem you can reduce the other issues.

As far as I'm aware, the majority of US midwives (or CPM's) are not hospital nurse midwives. They do not go off-the-clock, though they sometimes have multiple patients due at the same time so you might still find a backup midwife is covering for your primary care provider.

Re: Why are so many babies born around 8:00 AM? (2017)

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File a grievance with a regulatory body.

That's fucking hilarious. I filed a grievance when the medical professionals performed care on me against my (fully conscious and alert) consent, without a warrant, and without a court order nor arrest -- at the direction of a federal officer who had me "detained" but not "arrested" because there was no probable cause of a crime. I wrote an incredibly detailed, 100 page report with several witnesses painstakingly des…

You may be able to sue the government for the violation of your civil and constitutional rights and the damages it and its doctors caused to you. That will be true regardless of whether the doctors themselves violated any ethical rules. I suggest you contact a competent lawyer in your jurisdiction if you are interested in pursuing this.

Re: Why are so many babies born around 8:00 AM? (2017)

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post #34

This is a good example of how in the real world, everything is correlated with everything. Understanding this principle, I would expect uneven birth times and birth dates. I may not be able to guess what will cause it to be uneven (though in this particular case I would have gotten pretty close), or by how much it will deviate from uniformly random (I would have gotten this wrong to the low side), but it's sure to be…

If the medical staff influence the delivery time, they in turn are influenced by everything else, like vendors and traffic accidents. While obstetricians are not fungible with trauma surgeons, and nurses are only slightly more fungible (because they tend to work in a particular ward), they all have to deal with the pharmacy and anesthesiology, etc. I don’t know if they share surgical theaters, but you can’t reuse a surgery until it is clean and functioning, I think those crews would definitely be floating.

I don’t know much of anything about the other people in the OR, if the assistants stick to a particular group of surgeons or float. The people handling tools and gauze pads (which sounds like a dumb job but someone has to be sure that 12 pads and a clamp went into your abdomen and exactly that number came back out at the end), clamps, retraction, suction, IV and gas monitoring, etc etc. Those are somewhat specialized to the task but I don’t know if they are specialized to a surgical unit or if the same people who help with a appendectomy also assist with a finger reattachment or spinal surgery. If they do a surgery could get bumped for scheduling conflicts, or shift changes.

Re: Why are so many babies born around 8:00 AM? (2017)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you ever actually been in a labor and delivery room with someone getting a c section? I was literally 3 days ago. And "butcher shop" is nowhere close to how I describe it.

Yes I have two kids one of which was delivered by c-section.

The fact that epiderals aren't literally always done for women still shocks me.

Re: Why are so many babies born around 8:00 AM? (2017)

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post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even midwife systems often end up with a "ball of midwives" where you may not even know who you're going to get, and then they go off the clock at 6 PM and someone new steps in. Everything is a cost/benefit/availability tradeoff, and time is just one of the many variables that are being juggled. Of course, if you have money to throw at the problem you can reduce the other issues.

As far as I'm aware, the majority of US midwives (or CPM's) are not hospital nurse midwives. They do not go off-the-clock, though they sometimes have multiple patients due at the same time so you might still find a backup midwife is covering for your primary care provider.

I'm sure it varies from birth center to birth center - one would have the midwife scramble at any hour of the day or night to get into the room, the other we used had the ball.

I can see the advantages to the ball but the first was overall better I feel (but there are so many variables it's hard to really tell). We've technically never had the doctor/midwife "assigned" on-hand during the actual delivery for various reasons.

Re: Why are so many babies born around 8:00 AM? (2017)

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Yes I have two kids one of which was delivered by c-section.

The fact that epiderals aren't literally always done for women still shocks me.

Why would that shock you? An epidural has side effects that should be taken into considerations. Plenty of women have kids without any medication…

Re: Why are so many babies born around 8:00 AM? (2017)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you ever actually been in a labor and delivery room with someone getting a c section? I was literally 3 days ago. And "butcher shop" is nowhere close to how I describe it.

Yes I have two kids one of which was delivered by c-section.

And it looked like a butcher shop to you? I honestly have no idea what you're getting this from. Do you remember you/your wife giving vaginal birth to her placenta? Didn't that look like a butcher shop?
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