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9front “The Golden Age of Ballooning” Released

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Re: 9front “The Golden Age of Ballooning” Released

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Post by meepmorp »

witheld wrote: post #5
rcarmo wrote: post #3

Happy to see this getting updated, although it is bittersweet to realize it has a minuscule user base and that the UX will likely never change (the three-button mouse UX simply isn’t a good fit for today’s laptops).

I don’t know how people use trackpads for anything but causal use anyway, even on a Mac I find them to be a constant strain on my psyche compared to using my mouse- I always have one on me if I have my laptop

By contrast, I don't know how people put up with mice. I discovered a cirque touchpad in the mid-90s and i've preferred them ever since.

Of course, nothing's worse than the weirdos who like trackballs.

Re: 9front “The Golden Age of Ballooning” Released

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Post by hresvelgr »

aliqot wrote: post #40

When Plan9 gets posted to HN, the feelings are complex. I love you guys, I really do, but plan9 might have been passed up on by the segment of the hn audience who'd have loved it most. Plan9 is a project that does things very differently on purpose. A lot of things don't make sense at first, like the 3 finger mouse paradigm, plumbing, mainframe mentality. What I fear is that the more people from HN are introduced to…

> So like I said. It's complicated seeing it on HN. on one hand I want the world to know this technology that sadly we left behind and seem hellbent on reinventing. On the other hand, a lot of you guys suck now, and are too capable for the amount of forethought you have.

First of all, as interesting and divergent as Plan 9 was, I think you overestimate it's potential for popularity, No doubt due to your seemingly fetishistic regard for it. I think the particular brand of HN user you are "worried" about is probably never going to be interested in contributing to the Plan 9 ecosystem, so you can relax knowing your "baby" will likely be left alone.

Secondly, I've been in a lot of hobbyist communities that have all gone through their respective changes over the years. It's this particular brand of high and mighty "you lack the necessary taste to appreciate this" kind of attitude that I have found most distasteful and counter-productive to these communities. The thing that kills these communities is business types trying to capitalise, and sanctimonious die-hards, not a bunch of newbies.

Let the kids have fun, stop being a fuddy duddy.

> I'll take my downvotes in a to-go box, as usual.

Take this too, ruminating might be a refreshing change of pace for you.

Re: 9front “The Golden Age of Ballooning” Released

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Post by SllX »

witheld wrote: post #5
rcarmo wrote: post #3

Happy to see this getting updated, although it is bittersweet to realize it has a minuscule user base and that the UX will likely never change (the three-button mouse UX simply isn’t a good fit for today’s laptops).

I don’t know how people use trackpads for anything but causal use anyway, even on a Mac I find them to be a constant strain on my psyche compared to using my mouse- I always have one on me if I have my laptop

Practice. Put enough time into an input device and it becomes second nature.

Re: 9front “The Golden Age of Ballooning” Released

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Post by entaloneralie »

cies wrote: post #34
radiorental wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It does, it took me a minute to click on the "fqa" (o; but I absolutely love the design, humour and aesthetic. The web needs more of this oddballness. Dare I say, odd balloon-ness

Pretty extensive! Sadly they stopped making fun of nazis: http://fqa.9front.org/fqa1.html#1.3.0.1 Who told them it is bad taste? > The web needs more of this oddballness. Yups. This kind of websites give me nostalgia. HN too btw.

There was some imagery that compared using Ruby to going through Auschwitz. I think they did well by removing this one.

- Not a Ruby fan

Re: 9front “The Golden Age of Ballooning” Released

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Post by aliqot »

hresvelgr wrote: post #52
aliqot wrote: post #40

When Plan9 gets posted to HN, the feelings are complex. I love you guys, I really do, but plan9 might have been passed up on by the segment of the hn audience who'd have loved it most. Plan9 is a project that does things very differently on purpose. A lot of things don't make sense at first, like the 3 finger mouse paradigm, plumbing, mainframe mentality. What I fear is that the more people from HN are introduced to…

> So like I said. It's complicated seeing it on HN. on one hand I want the world to know this technology that sadly we left behind and seem hellbent on reinventing. On the other hand, a lot of you guys suck now, and are too capable for the amount of forethought you have. First of all, as interesting and divergent as Plan 9 was, I think you overestimate it's potential for popularity, No doubt due to your seemingly fet…

Not the first time your entire argument has been made. You're probably right about me, but you're off the mark about the plan9 part. I've seen this happen repeatedly over the decades. Just off the top of the head, we've seen this in Linux multiple times, before that it was the WWW, and it will happen yet again in plan9. All I can say is "just watch" and hope to God above I'll be proven wrong.

In a world where we are currently reinventing the mainframe and thinclient model, it's not hard to imagine that like fashion, tech also is cyclical. We dont say mainframe, we say cloud, we don't say thinclient, we say mobile.

It sounds like a lot of dude-trust-me, but imagine that it is possible somebody out there, maybe a very passionate neckbeard on some forum might just have an intimate history with plan9 and have a reason to feel this way before you go refuting them with JUST enough facts about their tone and delivery to fool people into thinking you're right, because you're not. .. when it comes to plan9. You've pretty much nailed my personality though, im probably that person you're describing, which I should work on, thank you. I'll accept that.

The kids are everything that's wrong with this world, and it's not their fault, they're a product of our example. I can only hope they don't squelch the 1% among them from getting their oddball ideas and opinions out there, because that's how we got here.

Make a note, you have one coffee on me, should we cross paths. Though we disagree today I can tell you're alright.

Re: 9front “The Golden Age of Ballooning” Released

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Post by calvinmorrison »

rcarmo wrote: post #3

Happy to see this getting updated, although it is bittersweet to realize it has a minuscule user base and that the UX will likely never change (the three-button mouse UX simply isn’t a good fit for today’s laptops).

The UI and UX have been evolving. Looks like riow is part of the mainline now, bar(1) was added. Not to mention zuke and some other great programs written in the last year or two by ftrvxmtrx, who's doing a lot of heavy lifting. There's a video player added, and lots of other new cool stuff. See shithub.us for more.

Re: 9front “The Golden Age of Ballooning” Released

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Post by thesuitonym »

daggersandscars wrote: post #33

For those unfamiliar with Monty Python's Flying Circus, "The Golden Age of Ballooning" is the first episode of the fourth and final season, notable for being the first episode without John Cleese.[0] No idea if 9front is intentionally referring to this. [0] https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0650996/

Given the general tone of 9front, I would say the reference is intentional.

Re: 9front “The Golden Age of Ballooning” Released

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Post by smcl »

MisterTea wrote: post #48
aliqot wrote: post #40

When Plan9 gets posted to HN, the feelings are complex. I love you guys, I really do, but plan9 might have been passed up on by the segment of the hn audience who'd have loved it most. Plan9 is a project that does things very differently on purpose. A lot of things don't make sense at first, like the 3 finger mouse paradigm, plumbing, mainframe mentality. What I fear is that the more people from HN are introduced to…

> like the copy of Mein Kampf being in every copy of the source code It was an over the top political gag in response to the original labs people inserting a copy of the gettysburg address in /lib. It was removed as the gag was lost on most people.

I guess whoever inserted it probably didn't quite anticipate the rise in neo-nazism and the far-right in recent years? Like before 2016 it's an edgy joke that'd make most people roll their eyes at worst if they know the context. Afterwards, and particularly after Charlottesville, regardless of the intent it does look like a very particular and sinister kind of statement.
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