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SpaceX launches Starlink ‘flat high-performance’ dish for moving vehicles

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Re: SpaceX launches Starlink ‘flat high-performance’ dish for moving vehicles

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post #45

Is it going to end up in Tesla truck and cars ? Tesla is building an army of connected robots on wheels.

Tesla vehicles and in fact most of today's cars and trucks have mobile connectivity, so the army of connected robots on wheels is already a thing.

Re: SpaceX launches Starlink ‘flat high-performance’ dish for moving vehicles

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post #42

A tangential comment. I opened the page on a non ad blocked browser and my eyes burnt. I am OK with ads but this is next level intrusive.

You made me try and now I regret it. How could they imagine anyone would want to read their page stuffed with all that garbage is beyond me.

Re: SpaceX launches Starlink ‘flat high-performance’ dish for moving vehicles

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post #48

(a) is it the same phased array antenna as dishy v2? (b) is power usage improved? at 90 Watts dishy v2 is not perfect for an RV. (c) dishy v2 has pretty slow startup time. It might be less than perfect if that thing required 10 minutes of unobstructed view to bootstrap. I have mixed experiences with dishyv2 tech. I've had situations when it was flawless with half-obstructed view. I've had moments when it had hiccups…

There's not really an issue with power on moving vehicles except sail boats.

Re: SpaceX launches Starlink ‘flat high-performance’ dish for moving vehicles

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post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s my experience, yes. I wonder if there are enough such people to make Starlink profitable.

You’d be shocked how many areas outside major metro areas don’t have any broadband options. When we were buying a home recently, we had to carefully search Comcast and Wave’s websites to make sure the home had broadband service. Lots of homes only had satellite internet. If you add RVs, boats, and planes, there’s an even bigger potential market for Starlink.

I’m in a major metro with no good internet options! I assume the cost of laying down fibre optic is too high due to the buildings, roads, etc.

Seriously considering Starlink instead of old copper.

Re: SpaceX launches Starlink ‘flat high-performance’ dish for moving vehicles

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post #48

(a) is it the same phased array antenna as dishy v2? (b) is power usage improved? at 90 Watts dishy v2 is not perfect for an RV. (c) dishy v2 has pretty slow startup time. It might be less than perfect if that thing required 10 minutes of unobstructed view to bootstrap. I have mixed experiences with dishyv2 tech. I've had situations when it was flawless with half-obstructed view. I've had moments when it had hiccups…

There's not really an issue with power on moving vehicles except sail boats.

It is an issue when your parked off grid and run off battery, 90w is significant. My 5G router with wifi 6 pulls under 10w direct 12v DC. It looks like the flat dish is actually 110-150w and requires AC power, so not great for off grid usage as inverter losses will add another 10-20w on top.

Re: SpaceX launches Starlink ‘flat high-performance’ dish for moving vehicles

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The majority of RV/vanlifers do not need internet in motion, they just want a regular static 12V dish that can be mounted fixed and flush to the roof/racks like any solar panel. $2500 for such a dish is the wrong target market. The only customer that needs internet in motion are things like boats, planes, trains and buses.

Normal dishy works fine in motion so while it would be nice to have a lower priced option more suitable for mounting that doesn't work while in motion, such a distinction would be software only, and that always feels scummy.

How would you feel if you paid $700 for a vehicle mountable dish and then had the option to pay $2000 to "upgrade" it to allow to use it while it was in motion?

That's the sort of thing that really bothers some people. Hacker News celebrated when New Jersey proposed banning that sort of thing in cars.

Re: SpaceX launches Starlink ‘flat high-performance’ dish for moving vehicles

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post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, all starlink user terminals are phased arrays.

They have to be due to how rapidly the sats move in and out of view.

Also frequency re-use. They will talk on the same frequency to multiple ground terminals, but pointed different directions from the satellites perspective.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

They have to be due to how rapidly the sats move in and out of view.

Also frequency re-use. They will talk on the same frequency to multiple ground terminals, but pointed different directions from the satellites perspective.

Did not know that, neat. Phased arrays are so cool.

Re: SpaceX launches Starlink ‘flat high-performance’ dish for moving vehicles

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This press release seems pretty light on information. This could be a phased array antenna according to this review (which seems to be focused on airplane-mounted devices): https://www.bcsatellite.net/blog/flat-panel-antennas-state-o... > "Currently the most popular alternative to Gimbal antennas are Phased Array Antenna flat panel antennas, which are composed of many radiating elements that can be thought of as nume…

The flat panel is a phased array dead give away. The performance and cost advantages of digital beamforming are such that you can pretty much assume any high tech antenna is a multi channel array.
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