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> they simply don't care about that
Or don't feel there is a better choice. The biggest oligopoly in the US is in politics.
New Jersey legislators aim to ban most in-car subscriptions
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The good news is I can not pay for heated seats, and then run my own wire to get it.. it won't look as nice, but it will work
UNAUTHORIZED VOLTAGE DISCHARGE DETECTED SYSTEM SAFETY MECHANISMS ENGAGED car is now inoperable
Right to repair laws would help here.
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#53I have mixed feelings on this. On one hand the idea of subscriptions for components that are physically present in the car and don't require ongoing cost by the manufacturer to support them is annoying.
On the other hand I think that there could be some advantages to that model. The costs of cars seem to going up considerably because of all the advanced features. If it is possible to standardize some of the manufacturing process to reduce cost and control access to items with software that could be a win. It would also be nice to have the ability to try features out in your real live before deciding if you want them. Or it could allow drivers to add features for short periods of time. It might not make sense to buy heated seats if you live in Florida, but are travelling to Colorado for a ski vacation paying $10 to unlock if for a month might an awesome feature.
I think the middle ground would be to require manufacturers to offer a lifetime unlock option for any feature that could be subscribed to without an ongoing maintenance cost.
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> in a nation where, on aggregate, their platform is unpopular Many polls report that the Republicans are more popular than the Democrats at the moment.[1] Sadly, refusing to acknowledge the existence of differing views seems to be rather common these days. 1: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/2022-generic-...
That's the congressional vote, which suffers from gerrymandering.
In raw numbers, far more people support the Democrats than the Republicans.
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#55Can we add XM radio to the list?
I bought a new car and they keep calling and send mail to my house far too frequently.
I've told them NO around a dozen times..
They are bordering on harassment.
Just because you put some receiver in my car doesn't mean you can constantly contact me. I never asked for it and they should take no for an answer.
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#56I think this is great, and though I agree that determining whether there is an "on-going cost to the manufacturer" will be a gray area that automakers will try to game, I think that's a solvable problem.
The heated seats example is a great one. There is no reason for this not be a one-time charge.
On the other hand, I think it's fair to offer autopilot/"full self driving" on a subscription, or at least the upgrades as a subscription. Clearly there is a large ongoing cost to continually improve self-driving capabilities, and it seems reasonable to me to have a pricing model that reflects that.
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#57I have mixed feelings on this. On one hand the idea of subscriptions for components that are physically present in the car and don't require ongoing cost by the manufacturer to support them is annoying. On the other hand I think that there could be some advantages to that model. The costs of cars seem to going up considerably because of all the advanced features. If it is possible to standardize some of the manufactu…
Does create an interesting problem of if your vehicle is out of warranty and you buy the heated seats package shouldn't they responsible to fix the heated seats if they're not working.
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> in a nation where, on aggregate, their platform is unpopular Many polls report that the Republicans are more popular than the Democrats at the moment.[1] Sadly, refusing to acknowledge the existence of differing views seems to be rather common these days. 1: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/2022-generic-...
Support for party isn't the best metric for support for the party's policies though. There is broad support for gay marriage for example but marriage between a man and a woman and the "incorrectly decided" Obergefell v. Hodges is still part of the Republican platform.
To me support for a party is much more about tribalism and branding than actual policy.
Re: New Jersey legislators aim to ban most in-car subscriptions
#59I have mixed feelings on this. On one hand the idea of subscriptions for components that are physically present in the car and don't require ongoing cost by the manufacturer to support them is annoying. On the other hand I think that there could be some advantages to that model. The costs of cars seem to going up considerably because of all the advanced features. If it is possible to standardize some of the manufactu…
> If it is possible to standardize some of the manufacturing process to reduce cost and control access to items with software that could be a win.
I think if you believe any savings will end up with consumers and not manufacturers, you'll likely find the manufacturers are happy to prove you wrong.
Re: New Jersey legislators aim to ban most in-car subscriptions
#60I have mixed feelings on this. On one hand the idea of subscriptions for components that are physically present in the car and don't require ongoing cost by the manufacturer to support them is annoying. On the other hand I think that there could be some advantages to that model. The costs of cars seem to going up considerably because of all the advanced features. If it is possible to standardize some of the manufactu…
I challenge you to find a single example of introducing subscriptions reducing costs