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Re: Framework Laptops Now Offering Refurbished Products

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Post by simcop2387 »

Octabrain wrote: post #5

I am really tempted to get a Framework laptop. Has anyone real world stories about using it with Linux (specifically Fedora)? Thanks in advance.

I use debian myself, I ran into some self caused issues because i migrated from a thinkpad and copied the data over (I had a bunch of thinkpad specific quirks setup). A fresh OS install should do fine, but if you've done any ACPI stuff to your grub config to deal with something weird from a previous laptop you may find that the trackpad doesn't work properly.

Aside from that I'm currently doing TB4 with a Caldigit TS4 dock and putting out over a single cable 2.5GbE, USB3, two displays (1920x1080@60Hz HDMI, and 5120x1440@120Hz DP) and charging the laptop without any issues at all from linux itself.

I did end up going to 5.18 and above kernels for some better linux intel alder-lake tuning/tweaks but it wasn't strictly necessary. You will probably need the binary blob for the intel wifi 6 adapter, not entirely sure I had it from my old laptop already.

The screen resolution is a little weird, but nothing has had any trouble with it.

Edited to add: I've got the 2nd gen laptop with an i7-1280p and 64gb of ram.

Re: Framework Laptops Now Offering Refurbished Products

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Post by simcop2387 »

dbingham wrote: post #3

I really want to get a Framework laptop, all their values seem very well aligned with what I want from a laptop maker, but until they offer a model with a larger display I'm stuck waiting. As a developer, I really need at least a 15" display, preferably 16" or 17".

I'm largely in the same boat, but I bought one anyway. If they ever offer a model with a larger display I do plan to look at upgrading. I went and did it because I'm almost always docked to my desk anyway and it's not that big a deal when I'm not.

Re: Framework Laptops Now Offering Refurbished Products

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Post by shp0ngle »

lillecarl wrote: post #22
km3k wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fairphone is trying to, but their market is mainly limited to Europe.

I have one at home, and I must say that it's very decent. Was my daily for a year. BUT the camera is crap, it's big and it's quite slow. Only thing that was a "deal breaker" was the camera though, it just doesn't cut it for what we expect these days.

Yeah, I have looked into one and the pictures are really bad.

The hardware is decent, so people say the poop camera quality is mainly causes by the software, and they keep improving it. Maybe. But I have two kids now, one 1 year old and one 3 year old, and I want to take as best pictures of them as possible. FairPhone 4 makes worse photos than iPhone 7.

Re: Framework Laptops Now Offering Refurbished Products

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Post by nullandvoid »

buildbot wrote: post #43
nullandvoid wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

+1 I really wanted a framework laptop, but had to go with Asus M16 in the end due to size limitations. A dedicated GPU is another missing feature for me. I'm hoping with how powerful iGPU are becoming (amd 7000 looks promising) this should be a non issue hopefully by next purchase.

They support thunderbolt, when I tried a framework laptop for a bit I was able to use an external GPU box when I needed the extra horsepower. But that may not work for your use case of course.

Unfortunately I require something portable as I'm travelling a lot, and that's not something I can easily chuck in my laptop bag!

Good to know though play nicely with eGPUs though for future reference.

Re: Framework Laptops Now Offering Refurbished Products

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Post by simcop2387 »

mkmk3 wrote: post #6
dbingham wrote: post #3

I really want to get a Framework laptop, all their values seem very well aligned with what I want from a laptop maker, but until they offer a model with a larger display I'm stuck waiting. As a developer, I really need at least a 15" display, preferably 16" or 17".

Ill take whatever display size, just looking to earn some more or see something on the cheaper side, honestly, upgradability and repairbility, all else be damned

You might be able to do that now, collect a bunch of refurbished parts and assemble a new laptop yourself.

Re: Framework Laptops Now Offering Refurbished Products

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Post by kybernetikos »

jdhn wrote: post #45
pmlnr wrote: post #4

A keyboard with full sized arrows, dedicated pgup/pgdown, 3 physical mouse buttons and a trackpoint, I'm begging you, please.

>and a trackpoint You know, I keep hearing people beg for a trackpoint, but if there really was the demand, why hasn't a third party made one already? That's the whole point of Framework, if you want to extend functionality, you can do it yourself without relying on the company to do it.

Like quite a few user upgradeable parts of the Framework, the amount of space you have to do something significantly different to what Framework have done is very limited. I do expect that eventually there'll be some sort of trackpoint solution, but my understanding is that there is not a lot of height available for the keyboard, and currently all the good trackpoint options are too tall.

Re: Framework Laptops Now Offering Refurbished Products

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Post by humanistbot »

BlackLotus89 wrote: post #50
humanistbot wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The expansion slots are too small to fit 2x USB-A ports in a single expansion card (edit: without an extended body, which will not work for me). They could fit 2x USB-C in one, but the fact that nobody has made one in the year this product has been out makes me wary of the promise of an entire DIY ecosystem.

One USB A Port ist 1.3cm the slot ist 3cm wide. Why shouldn't it fit?

Two USB-A ports would barely fit next to each other width-wise, but wouldn't provide enough space to actually plug in two USB-A cables/devices at the same time. Most cables have plastic covering the connector that adds 0.2-0.5cm of width. Grab two USB-A cables and place them right next to each other and you'll see a gap.

Edit: plus you need to add 0.1cm for the plastic housing of the adapter itself.

Re: Framework Laptops Now Offering Refurbished Products

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Post by GauntletWizard »

Octabrain wrote: post #5

I am really tempted to get a Framework laptop. Has anyone real world stories about using it with Linux (specifically Fedora)? Thanks in advance.

I'm an arch user on my Framework, and it's going very well for me, aside from the Intel Graphics fiasco a few days ago (Wasn't exclusive to Arch or Framework).

Re: Framework Laptops Now Offering Refurbished Products

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Post by blacksmith_tb »

victor9000 wrote: post #36

This sounds great, but I would expect a discount larger than $80 for purchasing a refurbished product. In particular, I'm looking at the 11th gen DIY units at: https://frame.work/marketplace/laptops

Understandable (who wouldn't like anything they're shopping for to be cheaper...) I actually tend to prefer refurbs because they've been gone over by the real A Team, unlike units rolling off the line (that may depend a little on who we're talking about, Apple has worked out for me at least). Not in the market for another laptop right now, but the Frameworks are high on my list.

Re: Framework Laptops Now Offering Refurbished Products

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Post by romeoblade »

dbingham wrote: post #3

I really want to get a Framework laptop, all their values seem very well aligned with what I want from a laptop maker, but until they offer a model with a larger display I'm stuck waiting. As a developer, I really need at least a 15" display, preferably 16" or 17".

I'd order one instantly if they did a 16" version with a 16:10 aspect ratio. I stopped using external monitors with my laptop years ago because I found that most of the time, the items I had up on the second, third, and fourth screens were more distractions than anything else. I now use a 32" inch 1080p TV as a single screen with the laptop closed when docked (which is rarely the case lately since I had a triple disc fusion in May. I now migrate between my kitchen bar, dining room table, and couch with a folding table due to hurting if in the same position for too long)

Edit: Mobile - Grammar/Spelling Adjustments.

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