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Re: JetBrains invites developers to join the Fleet Public Preview Program

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Post by keithnz »

_fat_santa wrote: post #45

This looks really promising. But by far the biggest moat that Jetbrains is going to have to cross to get into VSCode territory is the plugin ecosystem. Personally I work on React projects so my first thought was: "is there a Prettier[1] plugin?". Looking through the landing page it looks like Plugins are in the works but until that is implemented, it's going to be hard adopting it. ALSO I just noticed this but can so…

webstorm is the way to go for react and other web type stuff... though I'm not sure if the intention of fleet is for it to be free forever or not.

Re: JetBrains invites developers to join the Fleet Public Preview Program

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Post by pjmlp »

chrisseaton wrote: post #43
pjmlp wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is why one has the IT department configuring development images. I remeber there was a blog post from JetBrains where they complain about VSCode taking over InteliJ market, by indirectly asserting they don't understand why VSCode adoption was rising. Surprise surprise, a couple of months later Fleet was announced.

> That is why one has the IT department configuring development images. Sounds like a nightmare! What do IT know about development to be picking tools?

A lot, in many Fortune 500 where software isn't the main product, you get a machine (VM based or real one) customized for your workflows, with the set of software that is white listed for software development in the company.

Anything beyond the standard development image requires opening a request to IT and procurement, with the respective OK from management.

Re: JetBrains invites developers to join the Fleet Public Preview Program

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Post by pjmlp »

yrgulation wrote: post #50
pjmlp wrote: post #26

JetBrains trying to fight back Visual Studio Code taking over their market share.

Basically microsoft is trying to crush ide makers. To achieve that its leveraging unpaid work. I dont know how someone can celebrate tools such as VSCode that despite being free are clearly products made by a corporation so large that it can crush legitimate businesses. Its not jetbrains trying to fight back vscode. Its jetbrains fighting back microsoft by providing not just good tools but also pay to those that want…

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Re: JetBrains invites developers to join the Fleet Public Preview Program

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Post by yrgulation »

pjmlp wrote: post #30
rob74 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The main difference between VS Code and the various JetBrains IDEs is that for VS Code, you have to find and install the relevant plugins for your use case yourself, whereas the various JetBrains IDEs tend to work out of the box (while still supporting plugins). That's usually the difference between most free/open source solutions and commercial software: you can do mostly the same with the open source alternative, y…

That is why one has the IT department configuring development images. I remeber there was a blog post from JetBrains where they complain about VSCode taking over InteliJ market, by indirectly asserting they don't understand why VSCode adoption was rising. Surprise surprise, a couple of months later Fleet was announced.

Surprise surprise microsoft is using useful idiots to promote its brand via a free product and in the process threatening smaller business. IntelliJ should sue microsoft in european courts for monopoly. Do you understand the issue here? Or do you imagine all developers should build crud apps while all other tooling should be free?

Re: JetBrains invites developers to join the Fleet Public Preview Program

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Post by rockwotj »

capableweb wrote: post #6

> Fleet is our new distributed polyglot editor and IDE. Ok, polygot makes sense, it supports more than just one language. But what does distributed mean in this context? You run the editor across many machines? What does that mean? Coming from a backend perspective, it quite doesn't make much sense. Thinking about it from a client-side perspective, I'm guessing they mean the architecture is decoupled, meaning basical…

> sad to see not a single non C-like language is being considered

They are reusing the IntelliJ backend, which I don't believe has out of the box support for a language not on that list

Re: JetBrains invites developers to join the Fleet Public Preview Program

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Post by pjmlp »

yrgulation wrote: post #54
pjmlp wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is why one has the IT department configuring development images. I remeber there was a blog post from JetBrains where they complain about VSCode taking over InteliJ market, by indirectly asserting they don't understand why VSCode adoption was rising. Surprise surprise, a couple of months later Fleet was announced.

Surprise surprise microsoft is using useful idiots to promote its brand via a free product and in the process threatening smaller business. IntelliJ should sue microsoft in european courts for monopoly. Do you understand the issue here? Or do you imagine all developers should build crud apps while all other tooling should be free?

What monopoly, time to learn law?

Re: JetBrains invites developers to join the Fleet Public Preview Program

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Post by das_keyboard »

pjmlp wrote: post #52
chrisseaton wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That is why one has the IT department configuring development images. Sounds like a nightmare! What do IT know about development to be picking tools?

A lot, in many Fortune 500 where software isn't the main product, you get a machine (VM based or real one) customized for your workflows, with the set of software that is white listed for software development in the company. Anything beyond the standard development image requires opening a request to IT and procurement, with the respective OK from management.

Sounds like an even worse nightmare!

Every developer has their own way of being productive which involves different tools & software. Forcing everyone to use one standardized environment sounds horrible.

Re: JetBrains invites developers to join the Fleet Public Preview Program

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Post by yrgulation »

pjmlp wrote: post #52
chrisseaton wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That is why one has the IT department configuring development images. Sounds like a nightmare! What do IT know about development to be picking tools?

A lot, in many Fortune 500 where software isn't the main product, you get a machine (VM based or real one) customized for your workflows, with the set of software that is white listed for software development in the company. Anything beyond the standard development image requires opening a request to IT and procurement, with the respective OK from management.

Congratulations. You just identified one of the reasons so many dread working at such organisations and why software engineering is becoming assembly line work. Indeed what does an it person know about tooling and why do engineers need to ask for “permission” from managers by opening a “ticket”? Neither an it person nor a manger have a clue about what an engineer needs.

Re: JetBrains invites developers to join the Fleet Public Preview Program

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Post by yrgulation »

pjmlp wrote: post #56
yrgulation wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Surprise surprise microsoft is using useful idiots to promote its brand via a free product and in the process threatening smaller business. IntelliJ should sue microsoft in european courts for monopoly. Do you understand the issue here? Or do you imagine all developers should build crud apps while all other tooling should be free?

What monopoly, time to learn law?

The same kind of monopoly microsoft was accused it was when providing free media player and free browser apps. This is just the same type of market abuse except its leveraging people’s free work and not pre installing it inside its own os’. Perhaps you should learn law indeed.

Re: JetBrains invites developers to join the Fleet Public Preview Program

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Post by artdigital »

Looks and feels nice

Sadly no plugin support yet, and no VIM keybdings, that's a bummer.

I loaded up a JS project, but no support for prettier, LSP or eslint formatting means the Format Code feature doesn't match with the rest of the projects style, so I can't use it.

I'll keep it installed and revisit now and then (similar to Nova). Excited to see what they have planned

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