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Happy 20th birthday Jira You suck so bad

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Re: Happy 20th birthday Jira You suck so bad

#51
> It generates amazing reports, fantastic predictions, fancy charts, great managerial tooling, makes imposing processes easier, has robust integrations, etc., and that’s why most managers I’ve spoken to really enjoy Jira, while on-the-floor engineers either range from fiery-eyed hate to toleration.

You kinda need to impose process for large projects, and know where you are. The engineers are free to show a better tool for the job.

> I think Jira does a good job of making teams look much busier than they are, but in the end I see it more as a “talk more not do more” situation.

It does not make teams looks busier, it shows that teams are a lot busier in reality, which is valuable information.

> The Alternative

> Although a potential downside to Linear is that it is built explicitly for engineers, thus may not be suitable for other teams such as marketing, design, etc.

And this is why engineers will never build any viable alternative to Jira, because there is this us vs. them mentality. Issue management tools need to work for the whole organisation, that's why Jira is still the gold standard.

> If you’ve given Linear a try, but it just doesn’t work for you, some viable alternatives include GitHub Issues, Asana, ClickUp, YouTrack, Trello, Pivotal Tracker, and monday.com.

None of these are viable in larger organisations, they are fine for small projects, but you would have a lot of trouble with them in an enterprise context.

Jira's web UI can be very annoying, however an alternative to Jira would need to be at least as customisable and familiar as Jira, otherwise no large team will ever adopt it.

Re: Happy 20th birthday Jira You suck so bad

#52
You can judge the quality of a project management tool based on one simple metric - when you sit down to use the thing, do you spend your time thinking about the actual content of the work items? Or do you waste time in the meta-structure of the work, effectively shuffling tickets and story points like it was a game?

Jira provides endless ways to engage in useless meta-work, it's nearly the entire purpose of the UI. Style over substance is the result. It feels intentional on Jira's part to woo their target audience - mediocre managers who struggle to produce well-written and well-designed technical content. Dress any plan up with enough fluff and it looks impressive.

Re: Happy 20th birthday Jira You suck so bad

#53
post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly: Do you know of any wiki software that’s better than Confluence? I have yet to see one.

SharePoint?

I can only infer that you've never used SharePoint.

As both a user and both as a Product or Project manager, it's worse in almost every metric.

Atlassians products sick but they're strides better than their competitors which says more about the industry than anything else.

Re: Happy 20th birthday Jira You suck so bad

#55
post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I swear Confluence was designed by somebody who woke up from a coma or cryogenic sleep and brought cutting edge 1996 functions to the web. It was so sad to see people like it. Oh you poor pitiful souls…

Honestly: Do you know of any wiki software that’s better than Confluence? I have yet to see one.

I would say Notion. Not sure if it's considered the same category

Re: Happy 20th birthday Jira You suck so bad

#56

For a company worth a small fortune Atlassian are totally incapable of designing good products. Since they acquired Trello I’ve watched them slowly but surely overcomplicate the interface making the product less intuitive.

Bitbucket server was actually getting good when they cancelled it. They upped the prices of data center to dissuade people.

Their Bitbucket cloud is a travesty, once a promising place, offering private repos before GitHub... But they squandered their lead by letting it languish.

Re: Happy 20th birthday Jira You suck so bad

#57

I am a consultant and have tried to use Jira as a tool for managing the work of my team. I find if you have more than 10-15 tasks, I just loose the visibility. It’s easier just to create a simple Word document with structured bullet points (first indentation level is the topic, second level is the outcome, third level is the task). One weekly plan, one A4 in Word. When a task is done, I cross it out. When I need to p…

I’ve used a word document for team organization before and I think the depressing thing is that as inefficient as it is, it’s not really all that much less efficient than anything else. The more structured and fancy something is like Jira, the more it insists upon itself.

Re: Happy 20th birthday Jira You suck so bad

#58

The worst part of my career has been JIRA. I especially dislike: * Waiting for it to load. * Trying to find issues, mostly due to the crap, unintuitive UI and the slowness of said UI.

- Literally never been a problem for me, but maybe not everyone is always connected to gigabit ethernet - Just go to the issues browser where you can see and search for literally all the issues?

Re: Happy 20th birthday Jira You suck so bad

#60

The worst part of my career has been JIRA. I especially dislike: * Waiting for it to load. * Trying to find issues, mostly due to the crap, unintuitive UI and the slowness of said UI.

- Literally never been a problem for me, but maybe not everyone is always connected to gigabit ethernet - Just go to the issues browser where you can see and search for literally all the issues?

1. Jira speed is rarely limited by internet bandwidth. It’s a very slow product in many implementations. Your gigabit internet likely has nothing to do with the performance you experienced, but also correct: not everyone is on a gigabit connection. But if you need a gigabit connection to experience Jira properly, that’s unacceptable.

2. Is your experience with a vanilla instance and/or a small ticket volume?

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