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Valve's latest Steam Deck trailer briefly plugs a Nintendo Switch emulator

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Re: Valve's latest Steam Deck trailer briefly plugs a Nintendo Switch emulator

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Post by RajT88 »

Oddly enough, the light that Humble Bundles have shone into gaming revenue cycles has made me question our copyright system as a whole.

Stay with me.

In Europe during the time of Mozart, composers were incentivized to be prolific by only getting royalties off the first public performance of their works. Now that is not fair today because of course we can losslessy reproduce such things infinitely.

However, Humble Bundles (and really, steam sales and other similar discounts and give-aways) work because the vast majority of the money a game is ever likely to make is early in the revenue cycle. Not 20 or 10 or even 5 years later.

We don't know the revenue Nintendo derives from virtual console sales, but you can be assured that virtually none of it is making it to the creators which is who copyright is designed to protect.

Re: Valve's latest Steam Deck trailer briefly plugs a Nintendo Switch emulator

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Post by zerocrates »

scheeseman486 wrote: post #36
devwastaken wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The more emulation becomes mainstream the more money Nintendo will invest to illegalize it. You cannot legally get roms of commercial games, even if you own the game. Breaking of DRM is automatically copyright infringement according to the DMCA.

This is a very hazy area, made more hazy by the main method of getting games off of a Switch being a dev mode implemented by the hardware designers at Nintendo/Nvidia that is enabled by bridging two pins on the JoyCon connector which completely bypasses the DRM. Is using hardware features as designed "breaking" DRM? Hard to make that argument when they left the door wide open, unlocked and trivial to use.

The DMCA's language is something like "circumventing an effective technological restriction," but I don't think "effective" really gets much juice. Like, despite the total brokenness of DVD CSS by now, it's still going to be "effective." On the other hand "circumvention" sweeps up conduct that just bypasses DRM rather than actually breaking it.

Edit: for accuracy, it's "circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access" to a copyrighted work.

Re: Valve's latest Steam Deck trailer briefly plugs a Nintendo Switch emulator

#53

Post by smegger001 »

TaylorAlexander wrote: post #9
hyperhopper wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah yes, everybody should just bow down to bullies that abuse the legal system.

Sometimes when you have a sensitive relationship, it can be helpful to support the thing that makes the other company uncomfortable without openly advertising it.

what relationship? Valve is pretty much PC only other than some ports of old source engine games. Nintendo is first party console and handheld with couple of iOS/android apps. their isn't really any relationship to be sensitive.

Re: Valve's latest Steam Deck trailer briefly plugs a Nintendo Switch emulator

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Post by EMIRELADERO »

RajT88 wrote: post #51

Oddly enough, the light that Humble Bundles have shone into gaming revenue cycles has made me question our copyright system as a whole. Stay with me. In Europe during the time of Mozart, composers were incentivized to be prolific by only getting royalties off the first public performance of their works. Now that is not fair today because of course we can losslessy reproduce such things infinitely. However, Humble Bun…

> We don't know the revenue Nintendo derives from virtual console sales, but you can be assured that virtually none of it is making it to the creators which is who copyright is designed to protect.

I too have many gripples with copyright but this is simply wrong. Copyright is designed to protect the rightsholder. Whether it is a person or a company is irrelevant. This isn't a conspiracy or cynical-type explanation, this is by design

Re: Valve's latest Steam Deck trailer briefly plugs a Nintendo Switch emulator

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Post by dleslie »

RajT88 wrote: post #51

Oddly enough, the light that Humble Bundles have shone into gaming revenue cycles has made me question our copyright system as a whole. Stay with me. In Europe during the time of Mozart, composers were incentivized to be prolific by only getting royalties off the first public performance of their works. Now that is not fair today because of course we can losslessy reproduce such things infinitely. However, Humble Bun…

Very few humble bundle products are financially successful. It's easy to think otherwise because of the standout few.

Re: Valve's latest Steam Deck trailer briefly plugs a Nintendo Switch emulator

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Post by scheeseman486 »

PuppyTailWags wrote: post #50
gs17 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do they have that much of one? I think they've had one Switch title (the Portal collection) and Nintendo doesn't really have anything on Steam as far as I know.

I would guess its much more subtle than this. Consider potentially nintendo refusing to port games that were on steam, or demanding more money/control over games that have overlap with steam.

Punishing publishers for choosing to release on a competitors platform they don't like would hurt those publishers more than Valve. Nintendo's relationship with third parties is already often strained, doing anything like you suggest would in particular cause indies, which Switch relies on to fill the gaps between Nintendo releases, to flee the platform.

Re: Valve's latest Steam Deck trailer briefly plugs a Nintendo Switch emulator

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Post by dewey »

edmcnulty101 wrote: post #42

Side note, is anyone using one of these as a daily driver computer for development? The specs look decent enough and the price is cheaper than a laptop.

Cheaper than a laptop? You could get a cheaper laptop with better or equal specs if you buy used or get something from a previous year. A lot less hassle than trying to get something on custom hardware to run with no real upside.

Re: Valve's latest Steam Deck trailer briefly plugs a Nintendo Switch emulator

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

matsemann wrote: post #35
some-human wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To play the wide range of homebrew switch software created by the vast homebrew community the switch has, of course. https://switchbrew.org/wiki/Homebrew_Applications

Yeah, no one really believes that.

In the same way that nobody torrents linux isos? Just because it's less popular than other uses doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
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