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Re: Neovim 0.8 Released

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Post by ibotty »

modernerd wrote: post #48

If you use Neovim, can you share why you chose it over VS Code, or one of the new terminal-based editors like https://helix-editor.com/ , or new native GUI editors like https://zed.dev/ ? It's impressive to see what the Neovim community has built — preconfigured setups like https://nvchad.com/ are especially wild. But it still feels like a huge amount of work, hoop jumping, and _fragility_ just to reach parity with V…

Because it's vim but better. I don't want an editor that uses, maybe, eighty megs and is constantly swapping!

Re: Neovim 0.8 Released

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Post by qbasic_forever »

modernerd wrote: post #48

If you use Neovim, can you share why you chose it over VS Code, or one of the new terminal-based editors like https://helix-editor.com/ , or new native GUI editors like https://zed.dev/ ? It's impressive to see what the Neovim community has built — preconfigured setups like https://nvchad.com/ are especially wild. But it still feels like a huge amount of work, hoop jumping, and _fragility_ just to reach parity with V…

I don't need parity with VS code. If I want LSP and all kinds of distractions, binging and bonging, and crap jumping out and highlighting at me... I'll use VS code (don't get me wrong, sometimes those distractions are useful).

Sometimes I need a terminal text editor. Something to quickly edit a config file, or perhaps even write something more substantial. Vim and Neovim are perfect and available on pretty much any machine which you'll have a terminal open to access.

Re: Neovim 0.8 Released

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Post by pletnes »

codetrotter wrote: post #10
dyingkneepad wrote: post #4

Neovim is one of those things that seem maybe cool, but I just can't find a reason to switch. Vim works just fine for me, I don't know what I would be getting by switching, and I'd probably waste some time porting my config and workflow to whatever the differences are (I'm a heavy user of :terminal).

From the opposite side, I decided a few years ago to use neovim in place of vim, and there were no drawbacks to making the switch for me. Then again, most of my time these days I spend in JetBrains Clion with Vim emulation, as it is much better suited to the kinds of projects that I currently work on than Vim or Neovim ever was. So take my opinion on Vim vs Neovim with a grain of salt.

The big downside is having to install neovim. Good old vim is in macos, git bash on windows, any random vm you’re thrown into… I also use the vim plugin for intellij et al, but I use vim on all the raspberry pi’s, weird windows boxes with some issue, and so forth. It’s already everywhere and neovim isn’t.

Re: Neovim 0.8 Released

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Post by simjue »

ajoseps wrote: post #42

I've tried using neovim for C++ dev but keep ending back in either vscode with intellisense or YCM on Vim. I don't know if I'm just misconfiguring things but I haven't been able to get autocomplete working correctly. Any tips?

I've also tried using vim/neovim etc. several times but had the same problem. Recently I've tested lunarvim and autocomplete worked out of the box (with Go).

Re: Neovim 0.8 Released

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Post by stoplying1 »

modernerd wrote: post #48

If you use Neovim, can you share why you chose it over VS Code, or one of the new terminal-based editors like https://helix-editor.com/ , or new native GUI editors like https://zed.dev/ ? It's impressive to see what the Neovim community has built — preconfigured setups like https://nvchad.com/ are especially wild. But it still feels like a huge amount of work, hoop jumping, and _fragility_ just to reach parity with V…

Helix is just very, very excellent. I've spent less than 5 minutes total configuring it and I really have virtually not a single complaint and there's WIP for the niceties that aren't present yet (sidebar/treeview, etc).

I installed it, had some LSPs already on path. I configured it to show LSP messages and that was about it. It's very cool how gosh darn productive I can be, in such a short time due to the command palette built in.

Seems like folks are taking note too. There's a few intro videos on YouTube that do a good job posted in the last few weeks; apparently some big Vim-guy streamer checked it out last week. Active Matrix room and constant code improvements. And native nix flakes support too ;)

Btw, I find it a bit weird to include VsCode and Helix here together. Helix is perfectly usable as a Vim replacement for all basic text editing tasks, and a superior zero-config alternative in countless other scenarios.

Re: Neovim 0.8 Released

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Post by simonsaysso »

modernerd wrote: post #48

If you use Neovim, can you share why you chose it over VS Code, or one of the new terminal-based editors like https://helix-editor.com/ , or new native GUI editors like https://zed.dev/ ? It's impressive to see what the Neovim community has built — preconfigured setups like https://nvchad.com/ are especially wild. But it still feels like a huge amount of work, hoop jumping, and _fragility_ just to reach parity with V…

The sunk cost fallacy is real.

Most important to me when I started tinkering with him was the speed/feature tradeoff, and portability. I was working on 7 machines at one point doing pretty quick edits of config files and Python scripts, so launch speed and availability across different environments drive me to vim.

Now there are alternatives, but back in 2015 these were all in their infancy. And now I _know_ vim and it keep adding more features. The incremental cost of adding language server support is much less than the cost of learning how to move around VSCode, so my (neo)vim config keeps growing slowly but surely

Re: Neovim 0.8 Released

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Post by __s »

modernerd wrote: post #48

If you use Neovim, can you share why you chose it over VS Code, or one of the new terminal-based editors like https://helix-editor.com/ , or new native GUI editors like https://zed.dev/ ? It's impressive to see what the Neovim community has built — preconfigured setups like https://nvchad.com/ are especially wild. But it still feels like a huge amount of work, hoop jumping, and _fragility_ just to reach parity with V…

I have a simple .vim setup which I can use across multiple machines: https://github.com/serprex/.vim (I know there's simpler out there; I haven't spent time pruning my config down)

I prefer sticking to full terminal UI

When I used vscode I was frustrated by vsvim's latency & missing features (macros tended to have holes)

I didn't start using vim until I'd been programming for a decade already. Before that I mostly used SciTE

You may be more susceptible to over tinkering. In the past few years the most I've tinkered with my setup was when I decided to try out neovim's lsp feature, where previously I'd been using coc.nvim

Re: Neovim 0.8 Released

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Post by [deleted] »

qbasic_forever wrote: post #52
modernerd wrote: post #48

If you use Neovim, can you share why you chose it over VS Code, or one of the new terminal-based editors like https://helix-editor.com/ , or new native GUI editors like https://zed.dev/ ? It's impressive to see what the Neovim community has built — preconfigured setups like https://nvchad.com/ are especially wild. But it still feels like a huge amount of work, hoop jumping, and _fragility_ just to reach parity with V…

I don't need parity with VS code. If I want LSP and all kinds of distractions, binging and bonging, and crap jumping out and highlighting at me... I'll use VS code (don't get me wrong, sometimes those distractions are useful). Sometimes I need a terminal text editor. Something to quickly edit a config file, or perhaps even write something more substantial. Vim and Neovim are perfect and available on pretty much any m…

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Re: Neovim 0.8 Released

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Post by divan »

modernerd wrote: post #48

If you use Neovim, can you share why you chose it over VS Code, or one of the new terminal-based editors like https://helix-editor.com/ , or new native GUI editors like https://zed.dev/ ? It's impressive to see what the Neovim community has built — preconfigured setups like https://nvchad.com/ are especially wild. But it still feels like a huge amount of work, hoop jumping, and _fragility_ just to reach parity with V…

I tried to use Helix and really liked it, but had to stick with Neovim because of Copilot.

Re: Neovim 0.8 Released

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Post by zetaposter »

A text editor without a well rounded GUI story isn't worth it for me. There are all these desperate projects each with their own focus, ranging from "simple graphics acceleration" to "tons of bells and whistles, animations and ad-hoc UI extensions".

UI should be thought out at PRs and issues, but the same people who develop the main core. But they don't have to, because they're making a terminal application, which has its use cases.

But I so no reason why I should type my text in a terminal, when I can use a proper GUI application.

And I'm not even suggesting VSCode, even Emacs is better in this regard, which is what I use.

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