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Caffeine and Exercise Performance

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Re: Caffeine and Exercise Performance

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For people interested in using caffeine for tasks that don't provide an outlet for the jitteriness in the form of physical exercise: Check out L-Theanine[1], it works wonders for keeping caffeine's focus, but dampening the anxiousness. [1]: https://examine.com/supplements/theanine/

I only take L Theanine at night as a sleep supplement. It works well for that!

Re: Caffeine and Exercise Performance

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What do you mean you work out for 2h literally every day?

It might sound wild but here in Texas getting ready for high school football often includes “two a days” to get in shape at the start of the season. That means a morning and afternoon workout. In total it can be 2 hours or more spent doing the routine (not solid 2 hours lifting or running, but within that time). I’m revisiting training and going light for now but if I go the PED route again I will definitely go harde…

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One data point: I can drink 3 espressos at midnight, go to bed and fall asleep. Apparently I'm immune to caffeine which is both good (I can have a coffee at any time of the day) and bad (if I'm sleepy and I have to drive a coffee won't wake me up.) Maybe I also won't get any of those exercise performance effects.

What happens if you quit caffeine for a while? Have you tried to measure your tolerance?

I've found that caffeine tolerance is a huge factor in how it affects me, but tolerance changes quickly. A month off of caffeine for me is a complete reset and a few weeks do a lot to drop my tolerance.

Re: Caffeine and Exercise Performance

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I've used 200mg caffeine pills back in college, exactly for the purpose of waking up in the morning. For me, the tolerance made the effect go away after a month or two. I could take a caffeine pill, and go back to sleep. I had to start taking two, then three, until one morning I took so many I was basically shaking from caffeine, yet I was still sleepy. Maybe it was just me, though. Everyone's metabolism is different…

As I understand it the body pretty quickly gets used to caffeine use, then taking your typical amount just gets you to the same level you'd always be if you never had caffeine. I still drink coffee though.

I tend to see caffeine as in the long run mostly be useful to let you choose when you're alert rather than increasing total amount of time I'm alert. That can be useful if you get into a good groove of taking caffeine at the right time relative to when you need/want to be alert, but only if you're also disciplined about not taking it all the time.

Re: Caffeine and Exercise Performance

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I'm an avid runner (50-70km/week) and I've been running for 5 years. I run long distances on trail. Seems that although it increases performance and stamina for me it also brings my heart rate up, which is not desirable in most cases since I'm training ~80% of the time in zone 2 (aerobic). At given pace I can have few bits higher HR when caffeinated (between 5 and 10 bpm) which means that I need go go slower in order…

I too am a runner (~100 mi/week when not tapering or recovering) and "normally" I limit my caffeine to a double espresso at 5:15am. I take that one to synchronize my sleeping and bowels. However, it's a little more complicated than that because I divide the year into three different major training blocks and what I do varies both by which major block I'm in as well as what I'm doing within that block.

As such, there are trainings where I use extra caffeine for a variety of different purposes, e.g. to get maximum speed to train my body to go faster, or for the mild analgesic effect to counter some discomfort from long distances. Depending on how much extra I take and when, I may have to take the attendant tiredness into account when planning the following day's activities, both physical (more training) and mental (programming).

I believe I benefit from my use of caffeine, but it's tricky. I log all the caffeine I take as well as all the calories, analgesics and alcohol in a text file (which I keep in a public repository in GitHub). I can then look back and try to figure out what's worked well in the past so I can do more of it as well as what has held me back.

Re: Caffeine and Exercise Performance

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One data point: I can drink 3 espressos at midnight, go to bed and fall asleep. Apparently I'm immune to caffeine which is both good (I can have a coffee at any time of the day) and bad (if I'm sleepy and I have to drive a coffee won't wake me up.) Maybe I also won't get any of those exercise performance effects.

What happens if you quit caffeine for a while? Have you tried to measure your tolerance? I've found that caffeine tolerance is a huge factor in how it affects me, but tolerance changes quickly. A month off of caffeine for me is a complete reset and a few weeks do a lot to drop my tolerance.

I also have a very high tolerance for caffeine. I took 3 months off caffeine, (I just quit cold turkey) then went right back to it. I didn't notice any changes in tolerance, enjoyment, cravings, or anything else. And for reference I normally drink about 8-10 cups a day.

Re: Caffeine and Exercise Performance

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I'm an avid runner (50-70km/week) and I've been running for 5 years. I run long distances on trail. Seems that although it increases performance and stamina for me it also brings my heart rate up, which is not desirable in most cases since I'm training ~80% of the time in zone 2 (aerobic). At given pace I can have few bits higher HR when caffeinated (between 5 and 10 bpm) which means that I need go go slower in order…

Heart rate isn’t a good metric to be iron clad to. It’s far to variable as your stroke volume changes in response to: stimulants, sleep, stress, external heat, blood pressure, body temperature, and time spent running.

For all of the fitness tracking that exists, perceived exertion and relative pace to your max is better.

Re: Caffeine and Exercise Performance

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> Wasn't caffeine combined with contact sports linked to some brain damage? Contact sports and oats will be linked to some brain damage. Contact sports and listening to seagulls in the evening too will lead to brain damage.

I mean that’s true, but it’s still entirely possible that something like caffeine could make it worse.

It’s still entirely possible the seagull thing could make it worse.

Re: Caffeine and Exercise Performance

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One data point: I can drink 3 espressos at midnight, go to bed and fall asleep. Apparently I'm immune to caffeine which is both good (I can have a coffee at any time of the day) and bad (if I'm sleepy and I have to drive a coffee won't wake me up.) Maybe I also won't get any of those exercise performance effects.

Have you been diagnosed with ADHD? Caffeine has a similar affect on one of my children who does have ADHD. Not that we're giving him espressos at midnight, but during the day a caffeinated beverage will slow him down similar to a small booster dose of adhd medication.

Re: Caffeine and Exercise Performance

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Caffeine combined with L-Theanine does seem provide slight boost for focus to me. That said, I think biggest mood/focus/energy difference (besides a nice workout which is also important) for me was getting vitamins and other micronutrients in order. I highly suggest you to do a blood test or two per year for all the common vitamins/micronutrients to see which you need to fix. For men, I think it is especially importa…

> fixed that and I did not even get common cold for a long time, also no longer random days with no energy.

To state the obvious; Since there are so many things changing in our lives, it's impossible to know whether the "improvements" you mention were specifically caused (/only) by taking more vitamin D.

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