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Re: New (LTE) Rotary Cell Phone [video]

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Post by stinos »

jcims wrote: post #50
stinos wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I’ll die on a hill Meanwhile in multi-lingual laboritories all around the world where 'international English' is the language everyone uses, or attempts to, and 'experiment' is a word used multiple times a day, I keep hearing both. Which gives me the impression there might not actually a single right way anymore, or perhaps there never was (as in: could be British vs American or older brritish vs newer), and I stop…

For me it’s like the debate about which way to set the hang on your toilet paper roll. There is no right answer and the fun is asserting that yours is correct.

Hmm, that seems more like an engineering problem. Like: what's obectively the easiest way to be able to grab the paper? Surely only one answer :)

Re: New (LTE) Rotary Cell Phone [video]

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Post by stinos »

6stringmerc wrote: post #40
stinos wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I’ll die on a hill Meanwhile in multi-lingual laboritories all around the world where 'international English' is the language everyone uses, or attempts to, and 'experiment' is a word used multiple times a day, I keep hearing both. Which gives me the impression there might not actually a single right way anymore, or perhaps there never was (as in: could be British vs American or older brritish vs newer), and I stop…

Part of the issue are professional style guides for written English, and they vary. The biggest ones off the top of my head are AP, Chicago, and MLA. I love the Oxford comma as shown in the last sentence, but in the AP guide they do not use it and it is wrong to use it for their style. English is the best and worst language we have currently on the planet because it’s such an amalgamation and continuing to evolve and…

Part of the issue are professional style guides for written English, and they vary.

Probably, but what I don't get is: how could one be so blind to claim their style is 'right'? It's style ffs.

Re: New (LTE) Rotary Cell Phone [video]

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Post by warmwaffles »

abstractbill wrote: post #12

Very nice. Our home has a rotary phone in most of the rooms (they're cheap on ebay and easy to repair if they're not working). Each one is plugged into a Grandstream HT802, which gets it onto our home network. A raspberry pi runs FusionPBX, which gives each phone a number, and lets them all dial each other. The kids love it!

Oh no, don't give me ideas to do the same for our girls.

Re: New (LTE) Rotary Cell Phone [video]

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Post by S_A_P »

clusterhacks wrote: post #46
ivanhoe wrote: post #10

I love it when people say "Oh, I'm not a programmer" and then continue showing the stuff they've built (and fully programmed) that is a way beyond in complexity than what most of us professional programmers get to work on, like ever... :)

Me too. I laughed at "Oh, I'm not a programmer. I had to write all the code to drive the OLED screen . . ." Inspiring. Love when people do this. Makers gonna make . . .

I see what you’re saying but I also think that it is a legitimate statement. I have interest in building analog synthesizer gear and efx pedals. I’ve built a few circuits on breadboards but I am not an electrical engineer or synthesizer designer. The statement is likely just a way to say excuse the mess/possibility of bad practice in my implementation.

Re: New (LTE) Rotary Cell Phone [video]

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Post by lrvick »

camkego wrote: post #37

Am I the only one who is blown away by what looks like a PCB chip assembly machine in a personal residence near the end of the video?

Basic pick-and-place machines run about $2k. Reflow ovens cost about $200. Those are a must if you want to produce hundreds of populated PCBs at home. For one-off projects you can do most anything easily by hand with a high end auto-heating soldering station like a Metcal and microscope for under $500. My wife and I build and modify our own electronics for lots of random things. The equipment lives in the shed next to the laser cutter, 3D printer, and woodworking tools.

I am kind of surprised most tech professionals -don't- have basic electronics dev gear at home given how accessible it is these days.

Go learn to make a thing! You will feel more pride in it than a few more hours of doom scrolling.

Re: New (LTE) Rotary Cell Phone [video]

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Post by clusterhacks »

S_A_P wrote: post #54
clusterhacks wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Me too. I laughed at "Oh, I'm not a programmer. I had to write all the code to drive the OLED screen . . ." Inspiring. Love when people do this. Makers gonna make . . .

I see what you’re saying but I also think that it is a legitimate statement. I have interest in building analog synthesizer gear and efx pedals. I’ve built a few circuits on breadboards but I am not an electrical engineer or synthesizer designer. The statement is likely just a way to say excuse the mess/possibility of bad practice in my implementation.

Oh, I totally was not questioning the legitimacy of the statement - most of my work is not in service of producing software that is sold. My work is instead a mess of bad practice to just get something accomplished for others.

More generally speaking, I wish more people were like this creator - unafraid to just dive in and get stuff done. I have done a little bit of teaching introductory programming and one of the things I emphasized is that "works but is suboptimal along some professional measure" mostly rounds to "works" even in professional settings.

Part of my actual day job is working with non-professional software developers and helping take "non-professional" prototypes to "better" implementations. Having a working prototype is often a much better starting point that a poorly specified set of requirements . . .

Re: New (LTE) Rotary Cell Phone [video]

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Post by switchbak »

teddyh wrote: post #48
serf wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

yeah, agreed : the difference between a non-programmer who programs and a programmer is the methods by which they achieve the results. an easy way to find work to help with on github is to go to hackaday or some other such 'hackaton/diyer' community and follow the project links -- you can spend the entire evening fixing foot-guns and lazy/naive implementations of fairly well understood early CS concepts -- that's not…

> amateurs who are just trying to get something to work rarely hit the codebase again after the thing does what they want. Are you saying that programmers do ? I mean, they should , but…

I've often been prevented from improving existing pieces of code.

Usually with a variety of reasons, but it boils down to not prioritizing keeping the code clean. Invariably that's led to a higher carrying cost and decreasing ability to meet business goals.

But you're right, it's a rare developer that's interested in doing the unsung work of keeping a codebase clean.

Re: New (LTE) Rotary Cell Phone [video]

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Post by someweirdperson »

jcims wrote: post #50
stinos wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I’ll die on a hill Meanwhile in multi-lingual laboritories all around the world where 'international English' is the language everyone uses, or attempts to, and 'experiment' is a word used multiple times a day, I keep hearing both. Which gives me the impression there might not actually a single right way anymore, or perhaps there never was (as in: could be British vs American or older brritish vs newer), and I stop…

For me it’s like the debate about which way to set the hang on your toilet paper roll. There is no right answer and the fun is asserting that yours is correct.

There IS a correct way. Check the manual that the manufacturer provided for the roll holding device. Using it incorrectly voids the warranty.

Re: New (LTE) Rotary Cell Phone [video]

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Post by someweirdperson »

pabs3 wrote: post #31

I wonder which LTE modem this is using. Some LTE modems (like the PinePhone one) run Linux on one of the processors and folks have replaced the proprietary distro on that processor with a free one. If this were using the same modem as the PinePhone one, you could run all the Arduino firmware code on the modem instead.

It's a uBlox Lara-R6 [0], which is a different one than the Quectel EG25-G of the PinePhone [1].

[0] https://www.skysedge.com/unsmartphones/RUSP/index.html [1] https://wiki.pine64.org/wiki/PinePhone_Pro#Specifications

Re: New (LTE) Rotary Cell Phone [video]

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Post by someweirdperson »

gnicholas wrote: post #22
Axien wrote: post #18

Am I the only one that is bothered that the finger stop (or whatever it is called) moves?

Yeah that surprised me too. Is it there so that when the finger stop moves, it registers the number? I've only had a few rotary phones in my life, but I've never seen one where that doohickey (which I believe is the technical term) moves.

> Is it there so that when the finger stop moves, it registers the number?

No. Moving to the stop is just to wind up the mechanism up to a defined point. After being released the dial turns back at a defined speed, and creates a number short on-hook spikes, depending on far it has been wound up - the number to be dialed.

It's possible to quickly tap the hook to dial a number, too. It's easy for low numbers, but the dial helps the slow ones of us to tap exactly 9 clicks in the defined time to dial a 9.

No idea if that un-smartphone works exactly like the real thing.

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