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S.F. sued over homeless camp sweeps: city charged with criminalizing unsheltered

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Re: S.F. sued over homeless camp sweeps: city charged with criminalizing unsheltered

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Post by Bud »

twblalock wrote: post #31
olivermarks wrote: post #10

'Unsheltered' is a propaganda word and a fig leaf for the very sad reality that we have a chronic opioid and meth crisis which tips many people over into serious mental illness. Giving these individuals expensive housing is not going to solve anything. California is a magnet for substance abuse casualties and as then SF mayor Newsom found at the end of his grandiose plan to 'end homelessness' ever more people arrived…

Realistically, the only way we can solve this is with incarceration. This has little to do with the availability of housing, or the cost of housing. Some people will simply refuse to live in the housing that is provided. Many are so mentally ill and addicted to drugs that no amount of money we give them, either directly or indirectly, will get them off the streets. Proposed solutions that don't involve incarceration…

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Re: S.F. sued over homeless camp sweeps: city charged with criminalizing unsheltered

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Post by gnicholas »

jwlstn wrote: post #38
olivermarks wrote: post #10

'Unsheltered' is a propaganda word and a fig leaf for the very sad reality that we have a chronic opioid and meth crisis which tips many people over into serious mental illness. Giving these individuals expensive housing is not going to solve anything. California is a magnet for substance abuse casualties and as then SF mayor Newsom found at the end of his grandiose plan to 'end homelessness' ever more people arrived…

If this were true why are the giant homeless populations almost exclusively in insanely expensive housing markets like SF, LA, NYC? Drug addiction is far worse in WV yet they don't have a major homeless problem. Explain this discrepency please if it's all because of drugs

I think part of the reason SF and LA have large homeless populations is because of the temperate climate. It's much easier to survive a winter outside in LA than in WV. NYC is a different story, and I'm not sure that if they have the same number of homeless on a per-capita basis as cities like LA, SF, and Sacramento.

Re: S.F. sued over homeless camp sweeps: city charged with criminalizing unsheltered

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Post by zarmin »

twblalock wrote: post #31
olivermarks wrote: post #10

'Unsheltered' is a propaganda word and a fig leaf for the very sad reality that we have a chronic opioid and meth crisis which tips many people over into serious mental illness. Giving these individuals expensive housing is not going to solve anything. California is a magnet for substance abuse casualties and as then SF mayor Newsom found at the end of his grandiose plan to 'end homelessness' ever more people arrived…

Realistically, the only way we can solve this is with incarceration. This has little to do with the availability of housing, or the cost of housing. Some people will simply refuse to live in the housing that is provided. Many are so mentally ill and addicted to drugs that no amount of money we give them, either directly or indirectly, will get them off the streets. Proposed solutions that don't involve incarceration…

No post body was provided.

Re: S.F. sued over homeless camp sweeps: city charged with criminalizing unsheltered

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Post by chimineycricket »

hezralig wrote: post #44
twblalock wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Realistically, the only way we can solve this is with incarceration. This has little to do with the availability of housing, or the cost of housing. Some people will simply refuse to live in the housing that is provided. Many are so mentally ill and addicted to drugs that no amount of money we give them, either directly or indirectly, will get them off the streets. Proposed solutions that don't involve incarceration…

I know plenty of homeless people in San Francisco without drug issues. The reason they are on the street or living in their cars or crashing on a friends couch in between either other spot? They cannot afford rent. Both friends I am currently in contact with are also CURRENTLY employed.

come on this is anecdotal

Re: S.F. sued over homeless camp sweeps: city charged with criminalizing unsheltered

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Post by twblalock »

Bud wrote: post #51
twblalock wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Realistically, the only way we can solve this is with incarceration. This has little to do with the availability of housing, or the cost of housing. Some people will simply refuse to live in the housing that is provided. Many are so mentally ill and addicted to drugs that no amount of money we give them, either directly or indirectly, will get them off the streets. Proposed solutions that don't involve incarceration…

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> Long-term public support for the entire population, even the inconveniently vulnerable and expensive part of the population, is the only solution.

Ok, what will you do about the people who actively refuse to accept that support?

We are talking about non-rational, mentally ill, addicted people. You can't just offer support. If that worked, this problem would not exist.

Re: S.F. sued over homeless camp sweeps: city charged with criminalizing unsheltered

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Post by LawTalkingGuy »

spanktheuser wrote: post #5

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This suit is the kick-it-down-the-road and make someone else pay for it answer. Most of these homeless are not from SF or nearby. Moreover, their salvation isn't going to be sitting in an open drug camp. People are acting like SF is pulling people out of hospital beds or something when they actually try to help.

The correct answer is what Portugal does. Detain and imprison drug users for three to five years in a non-voluntary, non-criminal, detox programs where they don't receive a criminal record from merely non-violent crimes.

Re: S.F. sued over homeless camp sweeps: city charged with criminalizing unsheltered

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Post by [deleted] »

olivermarks wrote: post #10

'Unsheltered' is a propaganda word and a fig leaf for the very sad reality that we have a chronic opioid and meth crisis which tips many people over into serious mental illness. Giving these individuals expensive housing is not going to solve anything. California is a magnet for substance abuse casualties and as then SF mayor Newsom found at the end of his grandiose plan to 'end homelessness' ever more people arrived…

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Re: S.F. sued over homeless camp sweeps: city charged with criminalizing unsheltered

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Post by clint »

chimineycricket wrote: post #54
hezralig wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know plenty of homeless people in San Francisco without drug issues. The reason they are on the street or living in their cars or crashing on a friends couch in between either other spot? They cannot afford rent. Both friends I am currently in contact with are also CURRENTLY employed.

come on this is anecdotal

Everything in this thread is anecdotal

Re: S.F. sued over homeless camp sweeps: city charged with criminalizing unsheltered

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Post by omegaworks »

olivermarks wrote: post #10

'Unsheltered' is a propaganda word and a fig leaf for the very sad reality that we have a chronic opioid and meth crisis which tips many people over into serious mental illness. Giving these individuals expensive housing is not going to solve anything. California is a magnet for substance abuse casualties and as then SF mayor Newsom found at the end of his grandiose plan to 'end homelessness' ever more people arrived…

>California is a magnet for substance abuse casualties

The data[1] shows that over 70% of all of SF's unhoused people became homeless while living in San Francisco. What we're dealing with is a housing crisis.

Every $100 increase in median rent is associated with a 9 percent increase in the estimated homelessness rate. [2]

[1] https://hsh.sfgov.org/get-involved/2022-pit-count/

[2] https://nlihc.org/resource/gao-report-congress-finds-increas...

Re: S.F. sued over homeless camp sweeps: city charged with criminalizing unsheltered

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Post by masterof0 »

entwife wrote: post #35

It would be impossible to build enough housing in San Francisco for everyone who wants to live there.

I fail to understand why people feel entitled to live in a place they can't afford. I would love to live in Beverly Hills, but I can't.
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