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Re: Cloudflare Calls

#51

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The point is that it's possible for a company to focus on one thing for a long time. Do you dispute this?

I am, surprisingly, capable of understanding that companies can exist for long periods of time. Time to walk away lol

If you understand that then I don't know why you posted your original comment. It isn't true in theory nor in practice. cya, lol

Re: Cloudflare Calls

#52
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I'm really getting tired of this kind of take. You never really see that if AWS adds a product, or GCP adds a product or any other products from bigger CDNs. What do you suggest? Cloudflare should stop releasing products? Regulation that you are only allowed to handle x% of the total internet traffic?

I agree, this rhetoric is getting old. So we're supposed to go use one of thousands of other tiny cloud platform providers? Okay let's entertain that idea. The first bare minimum items on your vendor approval checklist are things like "can I trust this business to exist in 10 years" , "do they have enough resources to support me when shit hits the fan", and "are they mature enough to deliver on the shiny bullet point…

> So we're supposed to go use one of thousands of other tiny cloud platform providers?

Capitalism requires competition. If it’s only natural that one company grows larger and better than all others, then this is bad for consumers, and in this case bad for all of us, since it limits who can even be on the internet in any meaningful way.

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#53

They really do want to be the center of everything it seems. I wish they would stop trying to be the Cisco of Networking in the sense of trying to convince a lot of people to let them handle critical network functions for a ton of networks. All it will take is one major outage for everyone to see this is a bad idea. Why trust a cloud provider who could go down and take half the Internet with it? Why centralize it tha…

> Why trust a cloud provider who could go down and take half the Internet with it? Why centralize it that much where that is even possible? The problem is that governments worldwide have done little to curb abusive behavior that makes this all but necessary to survive on the Internet: - India (for US/UK based callcenter scams) and Turkey (for German based) don't do shit against scam callcenters. There have been multi…

Yes! We need centralize the abuse where the NSA can get what they want.

Re: Cloudflare Calls

#54
Was hoping they'd release a stand-alone TURN service first. The WebRTC-based product I've been working on for months now (finally wrapping up v1) is one-to-one by nature, and I actually want the connection to be peer-to-peer when possible. But access to a TURN server in every Cloudflare datacenter would be nice.

Re: Cloudflare Calls

#55

They really do want to be the center of everything it seems. I wish they would stop trying to be the Cisco of Networking in the sense of trying to convince a lot of people to let them handle critical network functions for a ton of networks. All it will take is one major outage for everyone to see this is a bad idea. Why trust a cloud provider who could go down and take half the Internet with it? Why centralize it tha…

“Pardon me, Cisco”: https://youtu.be/T47T_mG7YbU

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#56
post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree, this rhetoric is getting old. So we're supposed to go use one of thousands of other tiny cloud platform providers? Okay let's entertain that idea. The first bare minimum items on your vendor approval checklist are things like "can I trust this business to exist in 10 years" , "do they have enough resources to support me when shit hits the fan", and "are they mature enough to deliver on the shiny bullet point…

> So we're supposed to go use one of thousands of other tiny cloud platform providers? Capitalism requires competition. If it’s only natural that one company grows larger and better than all others, then this is bad for consumers, and in this case bad for all of us, since it limits who can even be on the internet in any meaningful way.

But doesn't competition... well, compete? That implies winners. There can only be so many winners.

I do not at all understand how anyone is walled off from being on the internet, if anything I feel like it's massively insanely easier to do that today than it was twenty years ago.

It's not like capitalism doesn't have its faults, but using competition to forge winners is literally what it's meant to do. At least in my very basic layman opinion.

Re: Cloudflare Calls

#57
post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree, this rhetoric is getting old. So we're supposed to go use one of thousands of other tiny cloud platform providers? Okay let's entertain that idea. The first bare minimum items on your vendor approval checklist are things like "can I trust this business to exist in 10 years" , "do they have enough resources to support me when shit hits the fan", and "are they mature enough to deliver on the shiny bullet point…

> So we're supposed to go use one of thousands of other tiny cloud platform providers? Capitalism requires competition. If it’s only natural that one company grows larger and better than all others, then this is bad for consumers, and in this case bad for all of us, since it limits who can even be on the internet in any meaningful way.

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Re: Cloudflare Calls

#59

> "With a traditional WebRTC implementation, both the patient and therapist’s devices would talk directly with each other, leading to exposure of potentially sensitive data such as the IP address... When using Calls, you are still using WebRTC, but the individual participants are connecting to the Cloudflare network. If four people are on a video call powered by Cloudflare Calls, each of the four participants' device…

Cloudflare has to have access to the decrypted video just like Google Meet does, because browsers by default encrypt to the peer and they are the peer. After all these years there still isn't universal browser support for actual E2EE. What support does exist uses hacky APIs.

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#60
post #14

They really do want to be the center of everything it seems. I wish they would stop trying to be the Cisco of Networking in the sense of trying to convince a lot of people to let them handle critical network functions for a ton of networks. All it will take is one major outage for everyone to see this is a bad idea. Why trust a cloud provider who could go down and take half the Internet with it? Why centralize it tha…

I'm waiting for them to buy tailscale.

That would certainly improve the UX on their own product. Tailscale completely nailed that - even the daemon is nicer to use and manage than Cloudflare's.
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