This is front page news in Denmark. Prime minister says "hard to imagine it happening by random", just short of declaring it a deliberate attack.
Alphabet agencies working overtime.
so much for being covert, they aren't too great their job.
Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day
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Re: Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day
#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
Putin, because he gets an excuse to cut Germany off of Russian gas. It's game of chicken now: the West sends weapons to help Ukrainian army chase off all the Russian invaders, and Putin tries to make energy crisis in EU so severe that Europe is forced to negotiate with him, and accept Russian conquest of parts of the Ukraine. Whoever can stay on their course longer wins.
Putin already lost that game since he allowed most (all?) EU countries to fill their gas reserves beyond 90%.
The reserves are a buffer to allow smooth supplies during the increased winter usage. The reserve sizes were set assuming a continued flow of gas.
So allowing the reserves to fill to 90% does not lose Putin the game, it gives him increased time to keep the citizens in suspense, thus creating doubt and confusion.
And it gives him money. War is expensive.
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#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
But who is that? Ukraine should be fine with having Germany buy Russian gas since Germany keeps sending arms and push others to send arms. I don't see why the US would care either now that Germany is finally moving away from Russian gas. And Russia can just close the pipeline in a less destructive way.
The USA are the obvious answer. They've refused export licenses for gas for years specifically to keep US energy cheap so the US can compete with german industry. China are another answer. If they can't get the gas, there is less incentive for peace so more chance of the conflict rolling on and distracting from their activities. Plus, more gas for them to buy more cheaply etc. Chunks of the middle east as well, they…
I doubt that Chinese submarine could enter Baltic sea without being detected.
Re: Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day
#54Who would benefit from this?
Isn't that obvious? It's to strengthen Germany's resolve. The temptation to surrender and get the gas turned back on is going to be enormous this coming winter.
Germany and several other countries have made plans to shut down parts of heavy industry to save gas for heating. This is more than likely to put increasing pressure on governments to give in to Russia's demands. Now they can't, even if they want to, so that pressure is gone.
Re: Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day
#55Quick Question: Didn't Russia already turn off all of the actual flow for these? I mean technically it was the Russian gas company ~~sighting~~ citing urgent maintenance rather than Putin himself with a big spanner. But either way, flows were at <1% capacity right?
Re: Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day
#56> before Moscow sent its troops into Ukraine on Feb. 24. Do we really need to smooth "Russia invaded Ukraine on Feb. 24"?
Do we really need to embellish reality with trigger-words designed to be as inflammatory as possible? What do you want - even more outrage?
Re: Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day
#57Any shared dependencies between the pipelines? Maybe just a time sensitive maintenance task that was neglected due to current state of affairs?
> Maybe just a time sensitive maintenance task that was neglected due to current state of affairs?
How can you suggest this with a straight face?
Re: Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day
#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't see it as smoothing at all. "sent its troops into" is literally the definition of invading. Also the Russo-Ukrainian war started over 8 years ago. Calling the feb. 24. date for day-0 of the invasion is actually smoothing Russians aggregation even more.
Troops could be sent for other purposes, though. Like they were sent to Kazakhstan before Ukraine, without invading. So it's kind of smoothing. I'm not sure was it intentional or not.
Except there's no need to account for that nuance because we know why Russia "sent their troops" to Ukraine. It was an invasion and they started a war.
Re: Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day
#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
As far as I can tell the Russian leverage has so far proven to be very small (it caused Germany to hesitate at the start of the invasion but right now Germany pushes heavily for supporting Ukraine) and it is decreasing for each day that the gas storage are getting filled and more LNG terminals near completion. Endangering this progress right now seems foolish.
Do you have a source vor LNG terminals nearing completion. I thought this would take years?
It normally takes years, however they are acquiring "floating LNG terminals", which should be there by EOY, probably somewhere around October-November.
Pick your favorite search engine with those words for a source of your choice, it's in the press.
Re: Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day
#60Quick Question: Didn't Russia already turn off all of the actual flow for these? I mean technically it was the Russian gas company ~~sighting~~ citing urgent maintenance rather than Putin himself with a big spanner. But either way, flows were at <1% capacity right?
Nord stream 2 was never operational, Nord stream 1 was in maintenance if I remember correctly. But it raises the question if there are ever going to be operational again..