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Re: The Ungodly Surveillance of Anti-Porn ‘Shameware’ Apps

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Post by danjoredd »

QuarterReptile wrote: post #8
CoastalCoder wrote: post #3

The article doesn't strike me as super biased, but it may be a bit shallow regarding the issues. If one doesn't start with the premise that Christian beliefs are bogus, then I'd be interested in: - How could someone realistically use the modern Internet and still avoid content that starts them down unwelcome paths? (A secular analogue might be suicide ideation.) - How could that guy's accountability partner have bett…

>How could someone realistically use the modern Internet and still avoid content that starts them down unwelcome paths? (A secular analogue might be suicide ideation.) The bottom line is that you have to create a strong break that prevents inattentive browsing or "doom scrolling." I think the lowest impact version of that would look like something where you write out exactly what you're opening your browser for (and…

The way I try to stick to Christian ideals while browsing the internet, is there are certain sites I just don't visit that contain those things. Reddit, 4chan, Twitter, some Discord servers, etc. If you want to take religion seriously, you have to know what triggers sinful behaviors for yourself, nobody else will know so you have to know yourself in that regard, and avoid those places.

These days outside of hackernews and Discord I don't use much social media any more. Social media leads to people being constantly angry and judgemental, as well as leading to other ungodly attitudes, and I find that I am a much worse person when I use those sites. There is no one path to keeping yourself from going down dark roads...it's as personal as the individual using the computer. As the Bible says in Philippians 2:12, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. Find what works for you as a Christian, and use it.

Re: The Ungodly Surveillance of Anti-Porn ‘Shameware’ Apps

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Post by tb_technical »

soulofmischief wrote: post #41
sverona wrote: post #35

I'm trans and sexually active. I was raised evangelical, amongst the Pokemon-promotes-evolution, Satan-left-bones-in-the-earth-to-trick-us variety. This gives me the willies. It reminds me of being six years old and questioning whether everything I saw that wasn't church was evil. I dealt with suicidal thoughts for many years, largely because my rearing amounted to being shoved in a box and told not to come out. Also…

Sorry you had to go through that. Christianity is so fucked up. I was raised Catholic and wasn't allowed to have long hair or dress myself or play flute in band etc. because it would turn me gay, heavily physically abused on a near-nightly basis, yada yada. No Pokemon or Harry Potter. Solidarity, friend.

I was raised Catholic, and none of that happened.

You were raised by a lunatic.

Re: The Ungodly Surveillance of Anti-Porn ‘Shameware’ Apps

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Post by Viliam1234 »

Test0129 wrote: post #33
Viliam1234 wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Search engines find lots of things, including misinformation. Also, people can read a source and misunderstand it, or ignore the parts that are inconvenient for them. That's why links to specific pages are useful. For example, let's look at the second link... The study itself explicitly mentions that correlation is not causation. For example, erectile dysfunction correlate with long-term porn use. Okay, but does it p…

> Search engines find lots of things, including misinformation You say this like the only people peddling this alleged "misinformation" (which is quickly losing it meaning, anyway) are bible thumping pastors who somehow can afford an army to do so. In 2001 the porn industry was worth billions [1]. It is not an insane stretch to assume this has tripled, quadrupled, or more with the rise of the modern internet. If we i…

> Instead of actually providing counter-evidence you dismiss whatever you don't like as "misinformation"

What I actually did was reading an article you linked in your previous comment, and quoting parts of it. Is it my fault that it contained information you did not like?

Re: The Ungodly Surveillance of Anti-Porn ‘Shameware’ Apps

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Post by ASalazarMX »

sverona wrote: post #35

I'm trans and sexually active. I was raised evangelical, amongst the Pokemon-promotes-evolution, Satan-left-bones-in-the-earth-to-trick-us variety. This gives me the willies. It reminds me of being six years old and questioning whether everything I saw that wasn't church was evil. I dealt with suicidal thoughts for many years, largely because my rearing amounted to being shoved in a box and told not to come out. Also…

Indoctrination of toddlers is one of the most evil things in this world. They still haven't developed their brains enough to have common sense, they will believe whatever the adults tell them is true. It's akin to brainwashing, and the worst part is that indoctrinated parents will indoctrinate their children themselves, just to be accepted in their community.

Wait for the kids to grow old enough to choose a religion for themselves, meanwhile you can still teach them values, ethics, and common sense.

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Post by ASalazarMX »

tb_technical wrote: post #52
soulofmischief wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry you had to go through that. Christianity is so fucked up. I was raised Catholic and wasn't allowed to have long hair or dress myself or play flute in band etc. because it would turn me gay, heavily physically abused on a near-nightly basis, yada yada. No Pokemon or Harry Potter. Solidarity, friend.

I was raised Catholic, and none of that happened. You were raised by a lunatic.

You were probably raised by a kind of Catholic I call "Catholic Light". They pray, go to church, think of god from time to time, and that's about it. Hardcore Catholicism is scary like any extremist religion, it will instill in children the fear of being watched and judged all the time, with no place to hide, not even your thoughts. It will make you fear eternal torture in hell because you're impure since birth, and every tiny sin makes you impure again. You become totally dependent on Catholic authority because only they can clean and save your soul, only for it to become dirty again almost immediately.

Subjecting a child to the fear of thought crime is the actual lunacy.

Re: The Ungodly Surveillance of Anti-Porn ‘Shameware’ Apps

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Post by ASalazarMX »

The "Covenant Eyes" app is fortunately unavailable at the Google Play store right now, but the Exodus Privacy analysis[0] doesn't show permissions far off from other, more benign apps. It's unsettling that this common set of permissions is enough to monitor your activity, who knows what, say WhatsApp does with all the permission it asks[1]?

0. https://reports.exodus-privacy.eu.org/en/reports/com.covenan...

1. https://reports.exodus-privacy.eu.org/en/reports/com.whatsap...

Re: The Ungodly Surveillance of Anti-Porn ‘Shameware’ Apps

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Post by ASalazarMX »

joemazerino wrote: post #24

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Maybe the author was referring to other one of the thousands of gods that exist because of the other numerous religions?

I wouldn't be surprised if at least one of them disapproved the concept of spyware, and I'm sure more than one would approve of pornography.

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Post by ASalazarMX »

clarge1120 wrote: post #9

The idea that good and evil are up for grabs, and that Christian faith has no say to define it is bigotry.

> The idea that good and evil are up for grabs, and that Christian faith has no say to define it is bigotry.

Good and evil are very straightforward, you don't need any book to learn it: just do as little harm as possible, and help when you can. That's it.

The other kind of good and evil, the one encoded in government laws, should not be involved with religion. Religion is notorious for being biased towards its members, it's not a trustworthy source of justice.

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Post by sverona »

uticus wrote: post #42
sverona wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Slippery slope fallacy. (You mentioned something about murder in another comment --- same story.) The reprehensible exploitation of sex workers does not make sex work inherently bad. I have friends who do sex work on the side. They sell their own porn. They explicitly want to be sexualized and, yes, objectified, and they'll tell you as much. Are they being exploited, and by whom?

> The reprehensible exploitation of sex workers does not make sex work inherently bad. Yes, let's avoid slippery slopes, please make things clear. What defines "bad" or "good" here? How much money porneia makes for those profiteering from it? How much pleasure the consumers get? What the health expert of the day prescribes? All I can gather so far is that you have better reasons to say porneia production isn't bad be…

> What defines "bad" or "good" here?

Bad = morally wrong, or "not okay" as you said. Specifically, you seem to be making the claim that all porn, even non-exploitative porn, is morally wrong in principle, the same way murder and rape are morally wrong (although less so.) This is what I'm challenging.

> and I keep forgetting about the harm that comes to people who profit from the industry.

What harm is that? (In order to sidestep obviously wrong things like human trafficking, let's use the example of the friends I mentioned who record themselves having consensual sex and disseminate the video.)

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Post by lcnPylGDnU4H9OF »

powerslacker wrote: post #47
LatteLazy wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>If one doesn't start with the premise that Christian beliefs are bogus I get where you're coming from, and as long as no one is compelling the "victim" I think they should be free to make their own mistakes. That said, it's very well proven that you cannot change your sexual orientation and anyone claiming you can is a fraudster whether they dress as a priest or medical professional or an "accountability partner" or…

There are numerous cases of changes to "sexual orientation".

Would you mind providing citations of some of these cases?
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